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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: central_va

Picky ,picky, picky....

Try not to drool all over your keyboard

621 posted on 06/23/2009 5:15:08 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra

I can’t remember much from this mini-series but the unniform still looks like a cross between cavalry(gold) and artillery(red).


622 posted on 06/23/2009 5:17:12 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va

The red shirt is a bit weird....


623 posted on 06/23/2009 5:23:30 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va

That is Hollywood again. (sigh)
He is wearing a “Battle Shirt”, designed to be worn by itself. NOT under a tunic.

And NOT accurate, as most of the series wasn’t.


624 posted on 06/23/2009 5:38:47 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: 4CJ

Before you start calling people names, you ought to read the history.

http://13thamendment.harpweek.com/HubPages/CommentaryPage.asp?Commentary=05Results


625 posted on 06/23/2009 5:43:05 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: TexConfederate1861
Exactly. I have spoken to a Circuit Court judge from Houston on more than one occasion, who has told me that “Texas vs White” would almost assuredly be overturned if challenged.

I'm not sure on that. I think that a stronger case can be made against unilateral secession than for it and that while a future court might do a better job than Chief Justice Chase in documenting their reasons I think the precedent would stand.

626 posted on 06/23/2009 5:43:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
It was Dan George, but I made a mistake. His character in the film was “Lone Watie”....(sorry) :)

That' all right, we all get caught up in the story. One of my favorite movies is "Ride With The Devil" and if all Secesh women looked like Jewell then I'd probably switch sides.

627 posted on 06/23/2009 5:45:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

We agree about that. :) Jewell is hot!
“Ride with the Devil” is also a favorite of mine, mainly because of the accuracy in speech, and the fact that it realistically shows the war in Missouri for what it was, a blood bath, with atrocities committed by both sides. I really have a problem with the fact that both sides killed civilians.....


628 posted on 06/23/2009 6:21:19 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
My favorite line is during the Lawrence Raid when Rodel and Holt are having breakfast while the raid is going on. In comes Pitt Mackeson to round up the people running the cafe, and Rodel tells him that they'll deal with the people once they're done eating. Mackeson walks over to Rodel and says, "Why you little Dutch son of a bitch. You do what I tell you or I'll kill you." Jake responds by pulling a really big pistol and pointing it a few inches from Mackeson's face saying, "And when do you figure to do this mean thing to me Mackeson? Is this very moment convenient for you? It is for me."

I love that movie. It was shot in and around the KC area, and the Lawrence destruction was actually done in a small town north of here that got flooded out in 1993 and was abandoned.

629 posted on 06/23/2009 6:30:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Yes. That is a great scene. I had an ancestor at Lawrence, with Quantrill, and his complaint was that many common thugs participated in that raid. I do believe the raid was justified, because of Jayhawker activity, but the killing of civilians was wrong. I think they could have killed soldiers, burned the town, and still accomplished their goal. Unfortunately with both sides, revenge and the code of the feud governed actions in most cases.


630 posted on 06/23/2009 6:36:37 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
Yeah, neither side had any monopoly on killing civilians along the border during the rebellion. There are those who say that the border war is long over. I say that it will continue so long as Kansas plays Missouri once in football and twice in basketball each year. One of the more popular sports paraphernalia sold around Columbia used to be a picture of the Lawrence massacre with a caption that read something like Missouri - 128, Kansas -0.
631 posted on 06/23/2009 6:43:56 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

In order to be successful, Secession would almost have to be unilateral. Example: Let’s say that Obama and the Democrats choose to impose a socalist government, take away our guns, etc.? Do you seriously think that Congress would approve secession? The only choice would be for the state to take itself out.


632 posted on 06/23/2009 7:53:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Non-Sequitur

Jeeesuz! That is pretty crass. I guess it is all in fun though. The rivalry here in Texas between UT & Oklahoma has gotten ugly at times.


633 posted on 06/23/2009 7:56:24 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
In order to be successful, Secession would almost have to be unilateral. Example: Let’s say that Obama and the Democrats choose to impose a socalist government, take away our guns, etc.? Do you seriously think that Congress would approve secession? The only choice would be for the state to take itself out.

What you're talking about is rebellion, and while we can agree on the need for that at times let's not pretend that it's legal or sanctioned by the Constitution. A peaceful separation requires the agreement of both sides of the issue, those leaving and those staying. Madison firmly believed that. Both sides have rights and interests that need to be respected. Both sides have protection under the Constitution. For one side to walk out unilaterally and reduces the interests of the remaining side to irrelevance, and saying the Constitution allows this makes the Constitution a club that the leaving states can use to beat the remaining states with. The founding fathers would never agree to something like that.

634 posted on 06/23/2009 8:02:30 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
Jeeesuz! That is pretty crass. I guess it is all in fun though.

Eh, we just consider the source. The general consensus is that Mizzou people are a bunch of crybaby wannabes.

The rivalry here in Texas between UT & Oklahoma has gotten ugly at times.

While it's faded a bit, in their heyday the rivalry between OU and Nebraska was even fiercer. But I'm Illinois born and bred, and Big Ten educated. And I can tell you nothing compares with Michigan-Ohio State in terms of rivalry. The Border War is amateur time by comparison.

635 posted on 06/23/2009 8:06:59 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; All
let's NOT pretend that Unilateral Secession is anything BUT lawful. it was LAWFUL in 1861, it was LAWFUL yesterday & it always will be LAWFUL until such time as the BOR is amended to forbid it.

the conclusion is INESCAPABLE that had the STATES wished to cede the RIGHT of Unilateral Secession to the central government, that they would have VERY clearly said so.

the STATES did NOT cede that power/right; thus Unilateral secession REMAINS a lawful option of the STATES under the US Constitution.

free dixie,sw

636 posted on 06/23/2009 9:18:27 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: central_va; All
fwiw, General A P Hill wore a RED shirt throughout the WBTS, as a CSA general officer. (things were REALLY different during the 18th/18th/early 20th Centuries, when it comes to "uniformity" in military attire. the only REAL "uniformity" was that there was NONE.)

BOTH sides "practically decided upon " BLUE or GRAY as "outer garments" because of BOTH sides shooting AT their OWN troops in the early days of the WBTS. SOME units (like Berdan's Sharpshooters, however, chose to "do their own thing" until war's end.)

free dixie,sw

637 posted on 06/23/2009 9:25:36 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: central_va; All
at least one Texas CSA regiment was issues SOLID WHITE uniforms & WHITE cloth caps, made at the TX state penitentiary in late 1863.

the prison factory had no dye to dye them, so it was "left up to the troops in the field" to "deal with the problem". (most men chose to "dye" the white uniforms with nutshells and/or boiling them in muddy water.)

the "muddy-colored uniforms" turned out to be EFFECTIVE camouflage, according to some wartime letters!

free dixie,sw

638 posted on 06/23/2009 9:32:09 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: usmcobra; All
i'll answer your DUMB questions right AFTER you ADMIT your MANY knowing LIES that you've told on this forum, APOLOGIZE to EVERYBODY for LYING & say that you will NEVER tell a KNOWING LIE again on FR.

until then, i'll simply continue to remind EVERYONE of your KNOWING DISHONESTY & RIDICULE you for being a LIAR, Turncoat.

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

639 posted on 06/23/2009 9:36:31 AM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
let's NOT pretend that Unilateral Secession is anything BUT lawful. it was LAWFUL in 1861, it was LAWFUL yesterday & it always will be LAWFUL until such time as the BOR is amended to forbid it.

Why not? You pretend all the time. Heck, I'd say that just about everything you post is imaginary, why shouldn't the legality of unilateral secession be any different?

Where's the book?

640 posted on 06/23/2009 9:36:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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