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VIDEO: UFO filmed above Moscow during daylight
allnewsweb ^ | 6 May 2009 | Michael Cohen

Posted on 05/06/2009 10:45:35 AM PDT by JoeProBono

As more Russians purchase mobile telephones and consequently more people carry photographic and filming devices greater numbers of images of the mysterious craft or UFOs that have been seen in Russian skies for decades are brought to the worlds attention.

This craft (footage below) was filmed above Moscow on 25 April of this year by one mobile phone user. This UFO footage is creating a stir on Russian conspiracy websites and forum participants are split between thinking it is an alien craft, a secret government project or a private experimental plane. All agree that it is too large to be a kite and the consensus leans towards a military craft.

Do you know what it is?


TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: kookfringe; kooks; ufo
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To: Quix
Certainly some of us fiesty sorts keep the wheel turning.

You're not just one of the feisty sorts, Quix.

You are their king.
61 posted on 05/06/2009 2:41:55 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Smoking Room aboard LZ-129 Hindenburg


62 posted on 05/06/2009 2:53:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like a black lawn trash bag filled with natural gas and tied in a knot at the open end. Watch it tumble and roll.


63 posted on 05/06/2009 2:53:49 PM PDT by steveo
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To: ZX12R

Naw.

I’m a weak wuss compared to them.

I don’t have the meanness and I don’t go for their personhood jugular like they tend to chronically almost 24/7.


64 posted on 05/06/2009 3:07:17 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice; JoeProBono; DCPatriot; Las Vegas Dave

Given that my duty this afternoon was to ‘wait for Gadot’ . . . i.e. students not likely to come for the last quiz since the regular attenders already took it on Monday . . . LOL . . .

I thought I’d check that allegation out on this longest current archive thread.

Thankfully, the allegation, as usual, was utterly false.

Anyone can see that early on—before anyone had even implied anything less than honorable to the naysayer . . . he’d used the term

“idiot” to describe those who believed in/liked UFO’s . . . by way of a photo showing a bumper sticker that said “I [HEART] UFO’S”

Quite typical of that particular naysayer. His hostility tends to get very shrill quickly.

That’s plausibly, as with most of us, a function of the extreme degree of RAD involved in early childhood.

The data is collected here:

This thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2182204/posts?q=1&;page=1
To: dinoparty
He’ll be
ALONG
soon to set us
ALL
in our
PLACE!

20 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:49:20 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Some folks are unsettable.
Probably because Daddy didn’t hold and affirm them enough the first 6-8 years of life.
23 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:59:10 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
How to spot an idiot:

30 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:34:06 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
LOL.
Yet again, a vivid demonstration of the degree of abject ignorance . . .
about my color preferences,
My students would laugh hilariously.
. . . quite consistent with the degree about the topic and about me generally it persistently seems.
52 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:12:12 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Naw.
The tractor is the wrong size and color.
/s
53 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:13:42 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
That’s pretty damn humorous, coming from someone who views E.T. the movie as a documentary.
85 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:08:39 PM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
I thought you
WERE A CONSERVATIVE
AND LIKED REAGAN.
Have you just outted yourself as a troll????
Reagan turned to one of his military advisers during the White House Screening of that film and noted that they were one of the few folks in the world who know how true the film was.
Ahhhhhh . . . wellll . . .
I guess phoney conservatives like government shill disinformation specialists have little respect for history or for
THE TRUTH.
87 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:11:09 PM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
My error—I was thinking of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS.
I don’t view ET as any sort of documentary.
Total propaganda brainwashing making ET’s warm and friendly when they are the opposite.
88 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:12:09 PM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
LMAO! Lame debate skills! First, you go for a personal attack, now you play the lame “troll” crap. Fairly well exposes your lack of caharacter.
89 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:18:22 PM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
FIRST???????? !!!!FIRST!!!! ????????
ROTFLOL TO THE MAX!
LOL.
What a riot.
More demonstration of lack of knowledge and understanding of the accurate history of even this thread!
Not to mention the history of umpteen UFO threads!
But hey, it’s !!!!TRADITION!!!! for naysayers to assert the opposite of the truth . . . even about these threads!
Actually, in terms of character . . . I’m skeptical that most naysayers would recognize true character if it bit them in their tender parts.
91 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:31:56 PM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Perhaps I should have mercy and note . . .
I don’t have any delusions about convincing or even significantly influencing any naysayer.
I do have the capacity to recognize most lost causes that I run across.
And, I’m not a great fan of debate.
It’s much more fun to play with naysayers after the fashion that they seem so compulsively addicted to assaulting us seriously-interested-in-the-topic folks with, . . . after the style they seem so . . . driven to.
They don’t seem to have the capacity to join the discussion in anything remotely close to being in the same galactic cluster as fair-mindedness . . . so, we have to indulge them by stooping to their style, if we are going to have any fun, at all.
94 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:35:51 PM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
I do have the capacity to recognize most lost causes that I run across.
Yet you completely lack the ability to discern fact from fiction. Poor you.

96 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:39:34 PM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
ROTFLOL!
Says Who????
ahhhhhhhhhhhh . . . yes . . .
various blind naysayers!
compared to . . . to . . . uhhhhh compared to uhhhh . . .
oh, yeah,
countless students, colleagues, professors, friends . . . even relatives! LOL.
That’s rich. Much enjoyed the laugh.
100 posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:50:17 PM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix; ZX12R
It would still be a huge deal if it was only 0.0001%. ONE AUTHENTIC CASE would be a SUFFICIENT big deal to alter reality.
On this I will agree, It certainly would alter REALITY! I guess we aren’t REALLY that far apart, seeing as you just stated that UFO sightings of other-worldly craft are NOT reality.
I’m happy we’ve found some common ground!

140 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:07:44 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
LOL.
Still using a different dictionary?
Who knows HOW otherworldly UFO’S are.
I did not say all 100% of them were NOT.
Please try to keep up.
Common ground would be nice. I try to keep my prayers for miracles a little closer to earth, however . . . at least part of the time.
145 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:15:51 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
I used your own words, “ONE AUTHENTIC CASE would be a SUFFICIENT big deal to alter reality. “
Wherein you admit UFO’s being other-worldly is not reality. Thanks for playing, keep it real, homes!

146 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:18:27 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Somehow
some things
are made clearer and clearer
even unwittingly . . .
Thanks for that.
148 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:26:49 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
So, do you not like me because I’m African American?
150 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:29:54 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Not at all. Had no clue about your race, actually.
Might explain some attitude stuff, however.
I don’t happen to be racist.
151 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:37:25 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
Not at all. Had no clue about your race, actually. Might explain some attitude stuff, however. I don’t happen to be racist.
LMAO! You make a racist comment, and then claim not to be racist. No freakin kidding! That’s rich.

152 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:50:52 AM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Most conservatives have met more than a few blacks as well as a lot of other “categories” who have
a LOT
of IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP
ATTITUDE STUFF.
That’s basic sociology. Nothing inherently racist about it.
I understand they probably didn’t teach that very well in engineering.
153 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:58:29 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
It might be a good idea, BTW,
to insert
“might”
into your dictionary. It can be quite a useful word.
154 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 11:59:32 AM by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
BUSTED as a racist!
Who said I was black, btw?
155 posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 12:40:24 PM by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)

To: Quix
BFLV.
532 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 10:48:54 AM by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it’s my typing that sucks.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
Say Whut?
I gather you are not impressed?
What a galactic Surprise! /s
534 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 10:52:13 AM by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Quix
I figured you’d react as such.
Bump
For
Later
Viewing
Geez.
535 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 10:54:47 AM by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it’s my typing that sucks.)

To: Quix
Sorry, I’m not getting your clever meaning.

Sorry. It was a reference to a Monty Python skit you’ve probably never seen.

Maybe my mind is on another wave length.

No comment.

536 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:00:35 AM by ZX12R
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To: ZX12R
No comment.
ROFL!
537 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:01:14 AM by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it’s my typing that sucks.)
To: Travis T. OJustice
Ahhhhhhhhhh . . .
Thanks.
I’m not near up on such things as might be reasonable to be.
Not that much of a priority, I guess.
Glad I’m so predictable . . . LOL.
. . . in spots . . .
538 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:05:40 AM by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)

To: Travis T. OJustice
I figured you’d react as such.

540 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:07:13 AM by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Glad I’m so predictable . . . LOL.
. . . in spots . . .
541 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:08:09 AM by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it’s my typing that sucks.)

To: Travis T. OJustice
With some efforts, we could probably keep this going for quite a list of posts! LOL.
I should check CNN and see if they have that whole thing archived yet.
542 posted on Monday, April 20, 2009 11:10:09 AM by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)


65 posted on 05/06/2009 3:30:50 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Very real looking video due to the shape I think its a man made drone with hover capability.


66 posted on 05/06/2009 5:23:14 PM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott government communist tractor factories!)
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To: omega4179; A knight without armor; aragorn; B-Chan; BigSkyVic; BreezyDog; DollyCali; glock rocks; ..

HERE’S A LINK THAT WORKS for

THE BATTLE OF LA 1942:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmbGMWlL7w

Worth watching.


67 posted on 05/06/2009 6:15:57 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: omega4179

Here’s another video on the

BATTLE OF LA 1942:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUL9qsoipFs


68 posted on 05/06/2009 6:26:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Just curious...Did you get beat-up a lot as a kid?


69 posted on 05/06/2009 9:07:55 PM PDT by Tainan (Where's my FOF Indicator?)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Thin-skinned is when you can’t take critism. Look it up newbie, and then look in the mirror.


70 posted on 05/06/2009 10:32:54 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: Tainan; DarthVader; LibertyRocks; Joya; Las Vegas Dave; Marysecretary; Blogger; Brad's Gramma; ...

[pinged some who might have some perverse or other kind of interest in such introspection! . . . and/or be able to add some insights, comments LOL]

[WOW, you sure triggered a flood of self-disclosure with a simple question! LOL]

TAINAN: Just curious...Did you get beat-up a lot as a kid?

Not really.

Though I was certainly much more of a social isolate, than not. And, we lived out of town quite a ways without any close neighbors. And, I was an only child until my mother and step-father adopted a baby girl when I was 10.

ONCE—after repeated tauntings by a bully, I got hit once or twice [actually managed to hit back a time or 2—I think I shocked even myself] and a 2nd attempt by his brother—who’s fingers I bent backwards until he gave up.

I was verbally ridiculed, assaulted plenty . . . almost routinely. Usually I just took it without much reply until I don’t recall what age . . . At some point, I learned to fight back somewhat verbally. For some reason in my BA program, I didn’t suffer much from such though there were occasional cheeky comments of one sort or another. The Navy was a bit worse than college in some locations and better than college in others.

Thankfully, as an adult, face to face, most folks have respected my heart and my IQ even if they thought I was a bird of rare plumage.

My own ATTACHMENT DISORDERed history from my parents divorce [my age 2] etc. on has sure complicated my life. LOL. Thankfully, the worst of that has long been much worked through but the residue remains here and there. My fiesty responses are likely one example.

The silly thing is . . . that in terms of personal pique, most folks can call me all manner of stuff in all manner of contexts and it’s no big deal. It’s more amusing and pitiful in terms of the assaulter, than anything.

Yet, I have a fierce hostility to [usually] thoroughly ignorant naysayers trashing UFO threads with inaccurate hostile ridicule to the point that the 150 ping list members avoid them in disgust when they’d rather be able to discuss the topic reasonably—or at least read such a discussion. The theft of that opportunity by terminal jerks REALLY annoys me still more than I should let it. Maybe if I felt less responsibility, it would help. LOL.

My personal confidence etc. has grown enormously the last 30+ years. I know who I am in God a lot better as well as who I am in the world. I know my capacities and skills as a helper and lover of God and people are probably in the top 1%. At lots of levels, that God knows that and that a lot of other people know that is sufficient for me regardless of who doesn’t know that.

Yet, I can still be tweaked, somewhat. Guess I’m still human.

I’d wager that, by God’s Grace, there are STILL quite a lot of folks (former students) in Tainan who know that my heart, my caring were more intense and thoughtfully and practically applied to their benefit than was true of any other Wy-Guo-Ren they have ever met—usually by a significant margin. That’s a pleasing comfort, to me. Besides, my Chinese family name is not all that common, except in Tainan. LOL. The numbers of Chinese students who volunteered that they KNEW I loved them MORE THAN THEIR OWN PARENTS was shocking, to me.

Amazingly, God has even brought me to the point that I can actually love my enemies. Doesn’t mean I care to or like to put up with unnecessary poo from them . . . but loving them as made in God’s image is not a problem.

Joya’s welcome to share whatever she cares to about my handling of such things face to face, that she’s observed. She’s sometimes seen some interesting stuff in a church situation and in a pottery class.

The most persistent comment, over the whole of my life, remains “I’ve just never ever, ever met anyone like you before.” And, a wide range of people don’t know how to handle that well.

Thankfully, students and a lot of other people enjoy the same things that others have a lot of difficulty with. Go figure. As my own Rorschach . . . it’s a riot—humorous, fun.

I think that also influences my responses to the naysayers hereon. I KNOW from tons of experience what sorts of people have a hard time with me. And usually, they REALLY ARE VERY JERKY sorts of people that most folks have a hard time being around very comfortably, themselves. As Joya can readily tell you . . . I have this knack of bringing out the worst in some folks [usually all it takes is my breathing and being within 20 feet of them! LOL].

Thankfully, by God’s Grace, I can also bring out the best in a lot of other sorts of people. LOL.

When, by God’s Grace, a long string of counseling clients volunteer things like: “I’ve had 11 other counselors including a lot of years in analysis. You’re the best. You’ve done me more good in 6 months than they did in years put together.” . . . THAT’S VERY GRATIFYING. Certainly it’s flattering and encouraging. BUT IT MEANS MORE TO ME THAT THEY FINALLY GOT SOME PRACTICAL HELP AND MADE THEIR LIVES BETTER. And it’s a humbling honor that God’s allowed me to play such a role. It’s a kick.

At this point in my life . . . I probably suffer fools less well than I have in the past. I used to have so much empathy for almost every kind of fool that I almost thought of them as a long lost twin. I’m not much that way any more.

On the other hand, with different fingers, I’ve ended up feeling like long lost buddies toward a number of formerly fierce detractors hereon. I love that.

It still puzzles me [in significant measure even though I think I understand the basic dynamics] . . . it still puzzles me that the UFO topic seems to trigger sooooooo much abject hostility—and assaultive hostility at that.

Why not just walk on by? WHAT IS IT about the UFO topic that triggers such reflexive outbursts from a certain type(s) of personality(-ies). OBVIOUSLY such folks also have a serious degree of REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER in their backgrounds. But what is it about the UFO topic that triggers their pent-up hostilities? Fascinating.

I don’t know what these correlates have to do with it . . . but more than a time or two . . . it’s a bloke that seems to be obsessed more than average with . . . [lacking a better short-han] racy vehicles and racy women.

That could readily imply, indicate a REAL paucity of balanced, healthy intense emotional connectedness. Of course that would define, again, R. Attachment Disorder. But what about such particular expressions of RAD correlates with the racy vehicles and racy women? Why are THOSE RAD cases sooooo given sooooo much to hostility about UFO’s and those who believe they really do involve some ‘otherness’ from ‘out there.’

Could it be that their world view and . . . indeed, their world . . . their interpersonal world . . . is sooooo emotionally shallow, fractured, conflicted . . . isolated . . . at deep emotional levels . . . that the very thought that there might really be some OTHERNESS ALSO threatening the status quo—is JUST TOOOOOO HORRIFICALLY INTOLERABLE to ignore???

Plausible. I just don’t know. It’s very very curious, to me.

I am chewing on a better, more mild and neutral response to such jerks. I’ll probably need to sign onto one of the image hosting sites to use it, though.

Besides, it’s true, PART of me DOES enjoy the fray of vigorous exchange. I LOVE INTENSE group work. People learn things in such intense interactions that they seem not to learn ANY other way—even if much of it, for some folks, is very delayed learning, long after the experience.

However, I don’t really want to give into slapping back just to be slapping back. That aspect is troubling spiritually and I want to remove that aspect. That’s why I’ve been chewing so diligently on an alternative. I think I have one. How to make it practical and handy is yet to be figured out.

Anyway—thanks for this stroll through memory lane.

Were YOU beat-up a lot as a kid?


71 posted on 05/07/2009 2:59:14 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: freeplancer; Las Vegas Dave; DCPatriot; JoeProBono; JoJo Gunn; mysterio; yazoo

Here’s a purportedly good video . . . seems interesting to me . . .

about the complicity of the MSM in keeping the UFO stuff ridiculed and secret:

http://www.truveo.com/XCon-2004-Terry-Hansen-News-Media-Complicity-and/id/3487905347


72 posted on 05/07/2009 3:14:03 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Only one thing kept coming to mind; in regards to naysayers, why UFOs in particular, or this subject in particular, the observation about mostly males interested in fast cars, and "racy" women as you said... That ONE WORD IS:

CONTROL

I also do have some beliefs that people who can't deal with the possibilities and philosophical discussions of this issue might have problems with other more "abstract" ideas (for instance, God and religion -- which requires faith, understanding of what we could technically term an abstract idea (at least for many people)).

One more possibility -- leftover issues from their pasts as you pointed out attachment disorders, and other issues that manifest in the need to degrade others to bolster their own self-image, or latch on to some idea, or place themselves in a group in which they feel they can't possibly be wrong again to bolster their sense of self, ego, intelligence level, etc...

This would be, in itself, a fascinating philosophical discussion -- why topics that are more abstract (at least in our ability to prove) are completely dismissed as "fringe", when people take other things that SHOULD be even harder to accept at an intellectual level as proven truths (like quantum physics for example, dark matter, and such topics that most will never "see" much less truly be able to understand, thus making it more abstract than physical - yes, I know that's kind of weird since it's in the realm of physics itself, but I think you know what I mean).

Again though the recurrent feature I see in a lot of these things are issues of Control, and a struggle for power either within themselves due to some sort of denial, or power over others, or things over which they have no control which may invoke a feeling of uneasiness and yes, fear that they refuse to acknowledge and deal with...

Not that this is true for ALL naysayers -- you'd have to know them PERSONALLY to make any sort of judgment as to their exact motivations obviously -- just that it's a theme I've noticed as well...

Many who seem to appreciate these topics and the discussions thereon seem to be more the type that are truly open-minded, and are continually seeking knowledge, IMO. Not that anyone is CONVINCED of exactly WHAT we are seeing or noticing, other than through years of research being able to impart what they BELIEVE and KNOW to be truth.

Others, just don't seem to understand even the TYPE of debate that goes on in these threads.

Again, I think it comes back to the basics of fear, and control (and/or using those concepts to steer discussions away from serious contemplation as well, when it comes to astroturfers, or "free-lance" trouble-makers, so to speak).
73 posted on 05/07/2009 3:43:04 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Quix

To this portion of my post:

One more possibility — leftover issues from their pasts as you pointed out attachment disorders, and other issues that manifest in the need to degrade others to bolster their own self-image, or latch on to some idea, or place themselves in a group in which they feel they can’t possibly be wrong again to bolster their sense of self, ego, intelligence level, etc...

I should’ve also added:
When I speak of the naysayers putting themselves in a group in which they feel protected and speak out to bolster their own self-image, it’s usually in a way that poses NO REAL RISK to their sometimes created reality. It is those who take the risk to discuss these issues that are the only ones truthfully putting themselves out there...

It doesn’t take much courage for one to sit at a computer and denigrade others and their ideas as “idiotic”, or “silly”, or “stupid” or having “no worth”.

It takes much more courage and honesty to come forward and discuss these issues in an intelligent manner and allowing for the possibilities given that we are only a small part of an immense universe...


74 posted on 05/07/2009 3:48:30 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

THANKS TONS.

I think your observations and analysis are quite apt.

I think !!!!CONTROL!!!!

IS a huge issue. Given their great need to have the last word, I should insure they have it more often! LOL.

Very perceptive. Much appreciated.

Blessings,


75 posted on 05/07/2009 4:01:44 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; A knight without armor; albertp; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

UFO PING LIST “A” LIST PING

THIS MORNING’S GLEANINGS FROM ATS:

ATS THREAD: DISCLOSURE HAS ALREADY MUCH HAPPENED . . . piece by piece:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread461349/pg1


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread461353/pg1

source:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/04/identity-cards-airline-pilots

Pilots refuse to take part in national identity card trials

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 May 2009 22.21 BST

Airline pilots are to become the first group to refuse to take part in the national identity scheme when compulsory trials start at Manchester and London City airports this autumn.

The British Airline Pilots’ Association (Balpa ), which represents more than 80% of commercial airline pilots, is to mount a legal challenge to Home Office plans to use “critical” airside workers as the first compulsory “guinea pigs” for the scheme.

MPs are shortly to be asked to approve the powers to compel the pilots and other airside workers at the two airports to register for the national ID card scheme as part of their “pre-employment” checks. The £30 fee is to be waived as an incentive for them to sign up.

The pilots’ union has protested to ministers that the £18m scheme cannot be regarded as voluntary when they are being told they will not qualify for an “airside pass” without them: “ID cards will have absolutely no value as far as security is concerned. This is nothing other than coercion and promises that ID cards would be voluntary have been broken,” Jim McAuslan, Balpa general secretary, has told ministers. “We will resist.”

These behind the scenes preparations and the recent signing of two 10-year contracts worth £650m to get the ID cards programme under way undermine recent speculation that the cabinet is considering axing the scheme as part of the general Whitehall spending squeeze. The speculation took off when a suggestion by David Blunkett, the former home secretary, that the ID card programme should be repackaged as a biometric passport scheme to reassure the public was misintepreted as him turning against the idea.

But the details of the two contracts awarded in the last few weeks show just how far the ID cards scheme has become embedded in the introduction of “biometric” passports. For 80% of British citizens their identity card will be their passport.

The Home Office describes the two contracts as “bringing the largescale deployment of ID cards a step closer”. The first contract, worth £385m and awarded to a US computer company, CSC, will cover processing applications for passports and ID cards and dealing with any subsequent changes in personal details . The second contract, awarded to IBM, and worth £265m, is to build and run the database that will store the digital fingerprints and facial images for the ID scheme and the new generation of passports.

The decision to combine what the Home Office calls the core elements of the ID cards programme and the modernisation of the passports means it will be difficult for any incoming government after the general election to cancel the ID scheme separately.

Two further contracts will be awarded this year for the design and production of identity cards and the next generation of passports to be introduced from 2011.


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread461311/pg1

posted on 7/5/2009 @ 05:58

Whats going on here - Ufo convoy May 2009 ?

I found a video showing a police car and behind two large trucks with what appears to be a flying saucer and two white vans behind the trucks.

Startling footage - Escorted by police and numerous security vehicles this apparent convoy looks like its transporting Ufos - Could this really be real? or is it a CGI (but it doesn’t look faked) or just some large parts being transported?

youtube link: [Qx: sort of interesting but I don’t think it has anything to do with UFO’s . . . industrial stuff, most likely. UFO stuff would be MUCH MORE hidden, imho, and likely transported by a larger UFO or at least a crane copter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StepExXTYBU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realufos.net%2F2009%2F05%2Fwhats-goign-on-here.html&feature=player_embedd


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread461325/pg1

Sweden releases 18000 Swedish UFO reports to the public domain Examiner.com UFO Sweden is releasing thousands of UFO files beginning May 9-10, 2009., according to a news story in Swedish online news magazine Essessen. Translation of the story was provided by Torbjorn Sassersson, Director of Exopolitics Sweden.

Link to source

http://www.ufonewswatch.com/ufo-sweden-releases-18000-swedish-ufo-reports-to-the-public-domain-examinercom

I am suprised that this isn’t all over this site. We are now running out of countries that are releasing their UFO documents,is the US going to be next. I mean how can the NWO go to their last step without the introduction to life beyond our planet.


UFO CAUGHT ON MILITARY CHANNEL:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread461323/pg1

VIDEO LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYqNzvsX-g0

WATCH PARTICULARLY AT THE

1:20-1:30—1:48 MARK ON FULL SCREEN LOOKING AT UPPER RIGHT CORNER

AND at 2:00-2:10 and a brief bit before the end at 2:14


http://www.howtobehappy.org/

FREE E BOOK ON HOW TO BE INWARDLY HAPPY.

I haven’t read it but there are cognitive habits that can be learned . . .



76 posted on 05/07/2009 9:50:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; SunkenCiv; Las Vegas Dave; DCPatriot; JoeProBono; JoJo Gunn; mysterio; yazoo

An interesting link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2246177/posts

regarding pulling a bubble of space time along . . . as a mode of rapid travel . . . experimental lab results discussed.


77 posted on 05/07/2009 10:14:09 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Mark for later perusal.

-BTTT-

78 posted on 05/07/2009 10:25:12 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: Landru

THANKS THANKS.


79 posted on 05/07/2009 10:28:09 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Naysayer just checking in.


80 posted on 05/07/2009 10:31:20 AM PDT by ZX12R
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