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Found: the sister Cleopatra killed
The Times ^ | March 15, 2009 | Daniel Foggo

Posted on 03/15/2009 2:18:56 AM PDT by BlackVeil

Forensic experts believe they have identified the skeleton of the queen’s younger sister, murdered over 2,000 years ago ARCHEOLOGISTS and forensic experts believe they have identified the skeleton of Cleopatra’s younger sister, murdered more than 2,000 years ago on the orders of the Egyptian queen. The remains of Princess Arsinöe, put to death in 41BC on the orders of Cleopatra and her Roman lover Mark Antony to eliminate her as a rival, are the first relics of the Ptolemaic dynasty to be identified. The breakthrough, by an Austrian team, has provided pointers to Cleopatra’s true ethnicity. Scholars have long debated whether she was Greek or Macedonian like her ancestor the original Ptolemy, a Macedonian general who was made ruler of Egypt by Alexander the Great, or whether she was north African. ... The institute’s breakthrough came about after it set out to examine Thür’s belief that an octagonal tomb in the remains of the Roman city of Ephesus contained the body of Arsinöe. ... The distinctive tomb was first opened in 1926 by archeologists who found a sarcophagus inside containing a skeleton. They removed the skull, which was examined and measured; but it was lost in the upheaval of the second world war. In the early 1990s Thür reentered the tomb and found the headless skeleton, which she believed to be of a young woman. Clues, such as the unusual octagonal shape of the tomb, which echoed that of the lighthouse of Alexandria with which Arsinöe was associated, convinced Thür the body was that of Cleopatra’s sister. ...

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientegypt; arsinoe; arsinoeiv; cleopatra; cleopatravii; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; romanempire
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To: BlackVeil
This lady, like most murder victims, was killed by a relative.

We could stop this senseless slaughter, if only we could restrict, register, and license relatives, and only allow possession of relatives after a thorough background check and strict training in realtive safety.

Also, stop the importation of cheap, foreign automatic assault realtives.

21 posted on 03/15/2009 11:53:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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Found: the Sister Cleopatra Killed
The Times (London) | March 15, 2009 | Daniel Foggo
Posted on 03/15/2009 11:07:14 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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22 posted on 03/16/2009 5:15:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BlackVeil

There is a wonderful novel called “The Memoirs of Cleopatra” by Margaret George that sparked my interest in the subject. It’s mostly fiction of course — great fiction — and it details the death of Arsinoe.


23 posted on 03/16/2009 8:55:10 PM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--two and a half years-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: BlackVeil; All

More fictional claims that try to pass themselves off as ‘science’. Neither Cleopatra nor her sister nor her mother were of ‘African’ origins. They are basing their this dubious claim that she was ‘mixed’ on the SHAPE of a SKULL that they do not have, not DNA evidence. The crucial skull, on which the ethnic arguments are based, is lost. No skull to conduct facial reconstruction and those they used based upon measurements from a century ago any professional would tell you are bogus. You need the actual skull or at least cast of the skull to conduct facial reconstructions. Their only ‘claim’ that she was ‘African’ is based upon the supposed ‘long shaped skull’. I hate to break it to them but long shaped skulls are also common among many other ethnicities including southern EUROPEANS, the TRUE origins of Cleopatra, her mother and her sister.

Lastly, they are forgetting the fundamental reason WHY her mother COULD NOT have been of ‘African’ or native Egyptian origins: because the only way a Ptolemy inherits the throne was if the mother had a direct blood descedant to the Ptolemiac Dynasty, and a phantom ‘African’ or a native Egyptian woman would NOT have a direct bloodline to the Ptolemiac Dynasty because she would NOT be of Ptolemaic royalty. The Ptolemaic Dynasty followed the matrilinear nature of succession, a system in which one belongs to one’s mother’s lineage; inheritance of property or titles through the female line, and some phantom “African” or native Egyptian DID NOT HAVE lineage of property to the Ptolemaic Dyansty. This is why extensive inbreeding matings occurred in the Ptolemaic Dynasty to prevent pretenders to the throne when they tried to bolster their claims by marriage to a sister. Such marriage though lead to amphimetric among different male relatives over the blood related female relatives of the Greco-Macedonian Dynasties.


24 posted on 03/17/2009 5:03:05 PM PDT by apro
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"Amazing: from measurements made 87 years ago, on a 2000 year old skull, now missing, a photograph of a beautiful, mixed race woman can be made. Is PC part of this analysis?"

You summed it up perfectly. Political Correctness gone amuck. ;-)

25 posted on 03/17/2009 5:04:24 PM PDT by apro
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To: BlackVeil

When is she going to be brought up on charges, tried, and hung?


26 posted on 03/17/2009 5:04:43 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Destruction of the US Economy: Obama's Global War on Prosperity!!!)
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To: BlackVeil; All

The Ptolemaic Dynasty followed the matrilinear nature of succession, a system in which one belongs to one’s mother’s lineage; inheritance of property or titles went thru the female line, and femaled had to have been of Greco-Macedonian lineage or else any children or grandchildren were not viewed as part of the Ptolemaic lineage. Similar to the ancient Hebrew matrilinear system where one can only claim being ‘Jewish’ if ones mother was Jewish. So there is no way Cleopatra, her sister nor her mother were of ‘mixed’ African or native Eygptian origins.


27 posted on 03/17/2009 5:43:16 PM PDT by apro
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To: eleni121
Scholars have long debated whether she was Greek or Macedonian like her ancestor the original Ptolemy

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NO they don’t — no one disputes that the ancient Macedonian were Greek - Macedon was simply a northern border region/kingdom on the Greek peninsula.

Eleni, you are 100% correct, no scholar debated if she is Greek or Macedonian given they are one and the same, because all scholars at least agree the Ptolemies were of Greek-Macedonian origins. This fiticious claims of theirs alone proves all they're after are ratings for their idiotic show. I for one am not watching such a debukle of a tv 'documentary' in where dubious claims are made before their clownish show is even aired.

28 posted on 03/17/2009 6:19:18 PM PDT by apro
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29 posted on 04/19/2009 7:20:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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