Posted on 02/21/2009 6:30:20 PM PST by JoeProBono
In January 2009, I had the distinct pleasure to meet one of the greats of Ufology. Kathleen Marden is the niece of Betty Hill, who was involved with her husband Barney, in a highly publicized abduction on September 20, 1961. The factor that makes this unique is that the abductors brought their victims on board a spaceship, the likes of which defied imagination.
Betty and Barney Hills account is documented in the well written book CAPTURED! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience by Kathy Marden and Ufologist and original Roswell crash researcher, Stanton T. Friedman, MSc, so I will not try to duplicate efforts. Instead, I will refer you to their work for the historical account.
This abduction by alien entities originated several notable firsts. This would become the most publicized alien abduction in history to date, due in part to the amazing level of detail that has become known. This account also benefitted from the believability of Betty and Barney. Never were there two people who shunned the spotlight more than the Hills. The Hills were leaders in their community and well-respected. Betty was a social worker, and both were members of the NAACP. Barney was passionate about his civil rights work, having contributed to the movement as a member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission in his home state of New Hampshire.
Another first would be the use of hypnosis in the treatment of the Hills to uncover their hidden memories. Contrary to some claims, the Hills did not immediately remember everything that had occurred. The treatment was undertaken by Dr. Benjamin Simon, who was the first to theorize and later prove the validity of hypnotherapy in the treatment of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder among war veterans. This was not the only factor that made Dr. Simon the perfect person to treat the Hills. Dr. Simon did not believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis, the belief that some unidentified flying objects are in reality extraterrestrial spacecraft piloted by alien entities, what some derisively refer to as "little green men". By believing there to be another causal factor to their condition, the Hills were not "led" by the doctor into erroneous memory recollections. The introduction of Dr. Simon lent to the validity of the account of abduction by aliens.
“My PhD is in Clinical Psychology and I have been trained in hypnosis.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d prefer they see a qualified psychiatrist. Hypnotherapy is nothing more than modern day voodoo and found to be totally unreliable.
Anyone practicing or defending hypnotherapy as a legitimate form of treatment is out of their freaking mind.
The Hill’s were abducted alright, by a “hypnotherapist”. It doesn’t matter if the hypnotherapist “leads” or not, people under hypnotherapy pull stories from their fantasy life, their readings, movies they’ve watched, etc.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy can help people with weight loss, stopping smoking, athletic performance, etc. without all the dangers and unreliability of hypnosis. There is no need for hypnosis.
Hypnotherapy has been consigned to the dustbin of quackery and is now mainly the realm of New Age “therapists”, past life regression “therapists”, and other charlatans and profiteers.
Let me guess. You bought your “PhD in Clinical Psychology” here:
http://www.belforduniversity.org/university/doctorateprogram.asp?mcid=4
Your info is more than a little flawed.
1. I gather you’ve never studied Milton Erickson of Phoenix.
2. I don’t use hypnosis mostly for spiritual/religious reasons.
3. Most research about most hypnosis asserts that it’s primarily intense focused attention.
4. I certainly prefer cognitive behavioral therapy over a lot of other options.
Milton once cured a very very wealthy industrialist who’d been in analysis for 11 years; spent thousands on several other therapists . . . all without much help at all in overcoming his phobia about driving beyond the city limits.
Milton cured him in 15 minutes . . . using elements of hypnosis in giving him his instructions and convincing him he had to follow his instructions to the letter.
He basically instructed the man to put on his most expensive silk suit . . . take his Rolls and drive it 10 feet beyond the city limits . . . pull over on the side of the road, get out of the car, go on the other side of the car, lie down in the bar ditch and recite MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB . . . get back in his car . . . drive another 10 feet
repeat
get back in his car . . .
repeat
repeat
repeat
repeat
etc.
How was he cured?
At some point, he got so angry, he got in his car and angrily just drove and drove and drove
and never had another tweak of fear about driving beyond the city limits.
Milton was famous for curing the incurable.
Sometimes I regret not going with my classmates for training sessions with him. But on the whole, that’s not my style and I certainly don’t go in for formal hypnosis, regardless of my excellent training in it.
I won’t even click on your insulting link.
YOu are wholesale wrong.
My program was one of the most, if not the most intense in the Nation. We had lots of retired famous psychologists and psychiatrists teaching part time in our program.
Maurice Friedman—the world’s expert on Martin Buber taught in the existential modality section.
BTW, I’ve sometimes wondered, is there a market for part time jerks? Or are all the requirements full time?
I know of hypnosis practical uses and gross misuses.
Using it to fill in “memory gaps” is a gross misuse, as in the case of the Hills or anyone else for that matter, it has been proven that people are susceptible to using the imagination to fill in the gaps. The profiteers are nothing more than “mind manglers”, using hypnotherapy over and over on these people and the stories become increasingly fantastic.
Want to use clinical hypnosis to calm a golfer who’s got the “yips” (jerky hand movement) with his putter under pressure or to have a smoker recall the dangers of smoking before he lights up? Fine, but really that’s where it SHOULD end.
Preferably, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy should be used, there is little to no use for hypnosis, and like I mentioned has been mostly abandoned to New Age Quacks, Past Life Regression Therapists and “UFO Abductee groups”.
No “recovered memory” is worth the time of day, these people were not Cleopatra or Caeser, their parents did not slaughter babies in their basements and rape their children daily and people were not abducted and anally probed by aliens, they all originate from sessions with “hypnotherapists”
No Dr. worth his salt puts a scintilla of credibility in “recovered memories”.
You keep telling me my info is flawed but keep agreeing with me that Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is better, agreeing with me.
Where am I flawed in my knowledge of hypnosis, clinical or otherwise?
Here is some first-person testimony about the Betty and Barney Hill case.
That’s NOT the case with the vast majority of UFO cases with qualified professional practitioner
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Reading back through your comments to me it appears to me that the only place we part company on hypnosis is that you actually believe in “recovered memories”, and believe that the “vast majority” of UFO cases using “recovered memories” to be true.
It is mine and about 99.9% of Psychiatrists opinion that “recovered memories” have no basis in reality whatsoever, are totally improper and unreliable in a clinical application. Which is why it has been left to charlatans practicing past life regression, telling people their parents killed babies in Satanic rituals every Saturday night and UFO support groups who tell stories of being abducted, anally probed and forced to copulate with aliens.
It seems my information on hypnosis and it’s proper uses is clear and accurate, and my only “wrong” information is that I do not believe in “recovered memories” of childhood abuse, Satanic Rituals, and UFO abductions.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
The Hill case is fascinating, and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
But as for unknown objects, freepers have privately freepmailed me (and quix) about their sightings of a McMinneville like object, (both daylight and nocturnal sightings.) Of which I take a very special interest in.
You may wish to review the analysis by Dr. Bruce Maccabee, (his PhD is in optics), of the photos that were taken in 1950 over the Trent Farm, McMinneville, Oregon, and published in Life magazine.
http://brumac.8k.com/trent1.html
However, law enforcement routinely use them as a tool to at least tentatively and temporarily eliminate persons of interest....and these tests are routinely carried out by LE daily across the fruited plain.
Also, just asking the suspect to take a test and get a refusal is also a clue that the police tuck away in their heads.
If polygraph machines were of absolutely no value whatsoever, they would have been long gone as a crime-solving tool and would not even be manufactured because they would not be purchased.
I read the article but forget if this couple is still living and mentally alert. I wonder if they would consent to a test today.
IMHO, their tale is absurd and only mildly interesting.
Leni
Quix, beavermom,
We were about an hour west of Arizona. There were other cars on the interstate. I’m sure many people saw what we saw. There were four in all, one at a time. My wife wanted to stop and I said, “No! I don’t want ‘em finding an empty car out here in the middle of the dessert.”
What really upset me was after it was all over I realized I had a camcorder laying next to me on the seat. I didn’t remember it being there because I was so fascinated with what we seeing in the sky.
1. I agree that great inaccurate horrors have been visited upon folks by very wrongful, unethical, distorted etc. use of hypnosis by thoughtless, unscrupulous, even charlatan types of investigators and even trained therapists.
2. I do not know the percentages. I don’t think you do, either.
3. I do not believe it is wisdom nor accurate to reality nor justice to the victims to BLACKWASH the tool.
4. In Betty’s case, there was ultimately scientific evidence that verified what she revealed under hypnosis—even though NO astronomer AT THE TIME knew of such a star configuration anywhere in the universe. She turned out to be accurate on 3 dimensions. That’s more than just a bastardized parlor trick.
5. I don’t like hypnosis for spiritual reasons. I believe it teaches folks to open themselves up to demonic forces and in many cases does so through demonized hypnotists.
6. On the other hand, spell-binding orators, white stripes on the highway, commercials, certain kinds of music . . . all contribute to essentially every one being hypnotized to some degree at some times in their lives.
7. There are solid workable, practical protocols to insure that no one is being led in any particular direction by a hypnosis session.
8. I do not believe anyone should be incarcerated or judged guilty on the basis of hypnosis—particularly without serious, hard-fact corroborating OTHER EVIDENCE. It may well be the case that hypnosis can be useful in directing investigators down a line of investigation which they were not aware of and that might prove fruitful.
9. I don’t think it is overly earth shaking that any given hypnosis story has any list of particulars about it. Things are incredibly complex in life and certainly in using such methodologies.
10. HOWEVER, the collection of credible cases taken as a whole is quite substantial. And, “fantasies” just does not explain it. The events uncovered are incredibly consistent on a list of particulars. This is true with folks who’ve never been exposed to the literature at all.
11. HYPNOSIS by itself and certainly as “a fantasy” does NOT EXPLAIN the missing end of 3rd trimester babies taken out of mothers’ wombs unless the baby is truly missing after earlier medical exam that day demonstrated the baby was present and healthy.
12. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain typical “scoop” marks and other standard body marks and scars resulting from an abduction.
13. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain electrical, magnetic etc. effects on cars, engines and the like.
14. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain cattle being demonstrably dropped on to snow or muddy ground etc. from a hundred to a few hundred feet up—having earlier been taken from the same field—in some cases being seen rising in a beam of light—seen without any hint of hypnosis being used on anyone involved.
15. Hypnosis, by itself, as a “fantasy” does not explain cattle [and an alarming number of humans] having their genitals, an eye, half a jaw and rectums cored out with incredible precision unavailable to our medical profession—certainly at the beginning of the phenomena. IIRC, we still don’t know—at least normal uninvolved human medical personnel do not understand how every last drop of blood can be so fully removed with not a drop detectable on the snow nor on/remaining in the animal.
16. I used to have a rather cheeky dismissive attitude toward the Betty and Barney Hill case, too. I’m not sure why. I think it was uncomfortable to me, somehow. I did not WANT to believe it. It may have been Stanton Friedman’s investigation into it that raised my respect for it. He’s a solid, very methodical, very scientific researcher.
Cheers.
I don’t think you have investigated the Hill case sufficiently to have formed such a dismissive, strong opinion about such a dramatic and important early case.
Otherwise, I think you make good points.
THANKS TONS.
That camcorder phenomenon is often reported. Many folks believe that there’s some sort of transmitted beam or even some sort of thought control preventing folks from thinking about cameras within arm’s reach.
Doesn’t, evidently, work or is not applied in all cases.
Maybe you can still get your money back for that “PhD” you got.
It’s not my habit to hit the abuse button even when folks deserve it royally.
Why on earth should I spend my rare spare time otherwise devoted to freeping to "investigate this case" when it was investigated to death by experts, scientists, doctors, law enforcement and others who came up with the same opinion as mine.....a damn good hoax.
I think some of the populace psychologically NEED aliens, abductions, outer-space UFOs and the like in their life just as much as stimulation-deprived American soap-women NEED to have Oprah in their lives every afternoon.
However, such diversions are relatively harmless. I confess to having framed still-shots from the old Flash Gordon outer space serials hanging in my little computer room because I'm a classic movie buff.
Yes, I DO believe there are still Mudmen living in the caves on the planet Mongo!
Leni
Famous Quotes - Military
Name:
Admiral Delmar Fahrney
Quotes:
Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.
A public statement, 1957.
No agency in this country or Russia is able to duplicate at this time the speeds and accelerations which radars and observers indicate these flying objects are able to achieve.
Printed in New York Times. Admiral Fahrney was former head of the Navy’s guided-missile program.
Name:
Brig. General George Shulgen
Quotes:
It is the considered opinion of some elements that the object may in fact represent an interplanetary craft of some kind.
From a Draft Intelligence Collections Memorandum by Brig. Geneneral George Shulgen, Oct. 28, 1947
Name:
Captain Bill Uhouse
Quotes:
The [flight] simulator was for the extraterrestrial craft they had a 30 meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953. I was inside the actual alien craft for a start-up....There are probably two or three dozen [ARVs] that we built.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Captain Bill Uhouse was in the US Marine Corps.
Name:
Captain Eddie Rickenbacker
Quotes:
Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don’t have hallucinations.
Captain Rickenbacker was known as, American Ace of Aces, medal of honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI, with 26 kills.
Name:
Captain Edward J. Ruppelt
Quotes:
Every time I get skeptical, I think of the other reports made by experienced pilots and radar operators, scientists, and other people who know what they are looking at. These reports were thoroughly investigated and they are still unknowns.
We have no aircraft on this earth that can at will so handily outdistance our latest jets... The pilots, radar specialists, generals, industrialists, scientists, and the man on the street who have told me, I wouldn’t have believed it either if I hadn’t seen it myself, knew what they were talking about. Maybe the Earth is being visited by interplanetary space ships.
When four college professors, a geologist, a chemist, a physicist, and a petroleum engineer report seeing the same UFOs on fourteen different occasions, the event can be classified as, at least, unusual. Add the fact that hundreds of other people saw these UFOs and that they were photographed, and the story gets even better. Add a few more facts, that these UFOs were picked up on radar and that a few people got a close look at one of them, and the story begins to convince even the most ardent skeptic.
Ruppelt, Chief of Project Blue Book, from his book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, 1956.
Name:
Captain Robert Salas
Quotes:
[The security guard called and] said, Sir, there’s a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with their weapons drawn. We lost between 16 to 18 ICBMs [nuclear-tipped InterContinental Ballistic Missiles] at the same time UFOs were in the area...[A high-ranking Air Force Officer] said, Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported this incident were sent off to Viet Nam.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Captain Robert Salas was a US Air Force officer.
Name:
Captain Thomas Mantell
Quotes:
It appears to be a metallic object......tremendous in size....directly ahead and slightly above .... I am trying to close for a better look.
Mantell, a USAF pilot, reporting to the tower at Goodman Air Force base, a UFO they had picked up on radar and requested him to investigate. Mantell’s plane was later found strewn across a stretch of ground just southwest of Franklyn, Kentucky.
Name:
Colonel Carl Sanderson
Quotes:
From their maneuvers and their terrific speed I am certain their flight performance was greater than any aircraft known today.
Sanderson, USAF, commenting on his sighting of two circular silver UFOs in close proximity to his plane over Hermanas, New Mexico. The UFOs were said to make a series of seemingly impossible maneuvers before disappearing at an astonishing speed and showing up again over El Paso, Texas.
Name:
Colonel Charles Senn
Quotes:
I sincerely hope that you are successful in preventing a reopening of UFO investigations.
In a letter from , to Lieutenant General Duward Crow of NASA, dated 1 September 1977. Colonel Senn was Chief of the Air Force, Community Relations Division.
Name:
Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III
Quotes:
These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the earth, either manned or under remote control, or both.
Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld.
Bryan was founder of the CIA’s psychological warfare staff, special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO, and board member of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP).
Name:
Colonel Philip J. Corso
Quotes:
If you suppress the truth it becomes your enemy...if you expose the truth it becomes your weapon. I had the evidence that a crash did happen. I ask you this, were you there with me? did you have the clearances? They can’t answer these questions, they simply criticize with no evidence.
I had the evidence that a crash did happen here....Give this information to the young people of the world and this country....They want it. Give it to them. Don’t hide it and tell lies and make stories. They’re not stupid....It’s their information. It doesn’t belong to the Army or the Department of Defense. If it’s classified, take the classification off and give it to them!
Colonel Corso made this impassioned plea not long before his death in the summer of 1998. He was a member of President Eisenhower’s National Security Council and later went on to become head of the U.S. Army Research and Development department’s Foreign Technology Desk where he claimed to have worked with General Arthur Trudeau in seeding American military and industrial institutions with technology under his stewardship which came from a crashed alien craft in Roswell New Mexico.
Name:
Colonel Robert Willingham
Quotes:
Headquarters wouldn’t let us go after it and we played around a little bit. We got to watching how it made 90 degree turns at this high speed and everything. We knew it wasn’t a missile of any type. So then, we confirmed it with the radar control station, and they kept following it, and they claimed that it crashed somewhere off between Texas and the Mexico border.
Willingham, USAF, from an affidavit filed in the 1970s. Willingham and his navigator were test flying an F-94 on Sept.6, 1950 out of San Angelo, Texas when they were alerted by radar control operators of a UFO in their area.
Name:
Colonel Steve Wilson
Quotes:
I have no feelings, truthfully. My association with MJ-12 has left me dead inside. I feel myself still cold and calculating. I never let anyone get close to me. I feel like a human robot. I have killed mercilessly and lied for the good of the country, or so I believed at the time.
The things I have seen are beyond human understanding and totally unbelievable. I only have a desire to help humanity somehow through what is bound to come soon.
Col. Wilson, USAF, revealed that he was in charge of Project Pounce, the unit tasked to retrieve downed UFOs and prevent civilian access to them. He also revealed the designations and manufacturers of U.S. antigravity craft.
Name:
Colonel Thomas Jefferson Dubose
Quotes:
There were orders to ship the material from Roswell directly to Wright Field by special plane. Dubose was adjutant to Brig. General Roger Ramey at the time of the Roswell Incident. This statement contradicts the official story that the material was first flown to Fort Worth, Texas, where Ramey posed with Major Marcel and pieces of a weather balloon for the media.
Name:
Corporal Jonathan Weygandt
Quotes:
[The UFO] was buried in the side of a cliff. When I first saw it, I was scared. I think the creatures calmed me...[Later] I was arrested [by an Air Force officer]. He was saying, Do you like the Constitution? I’m like, Yeah. He said, We don’t obey. We just do what we want. And if you tell anybody [about us or the UFO], you will just come up missing.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Corporal Weygandt was in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Name:
General Curtis LeMay
Quotes:
We had a number of reports from reputable individuals (well-educated serious-minded folks, scientists and fliers) who surely saw something.
As Air Force Chief of Staff, in his 1965 autobiography, Mission With LeMay, stated that although the bulk of UFO reports could be explained as conventional or natural phenomena, some could not.
Many of the mysteries might be explained away as weather balloons, stars, reflected lights, all sorts of odds and ends. I don’t mean to say that, in the unclosed and unexplained or unexplainable instances, those were actually flying objects. All I can say is that no natural phenomena could be found to account for them... Repeat again: There were some cases we could not explain. Never could.
Statement from 1965 autobiography Mission With LeMay, with MacKinlay Kantor, New York: Doubleday, 1965.
Name:
General Douglas MacArthur
Quotes:
The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets.
The New York Times, October 8, 1955
You now face a new world a world of change. The thrust into outer space of the satellite, spheres and missiles marked the beginning of another epoch in the long story of mankind , the chapter of the space age... We speak in strange terms: of harnessing the cosmic energy... of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy.
An address by General Douglas MacArthur to the United States Military Academy at West Point, May 12, 1962.
Name:
General George S. Brown
Quotes:
I don’t know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren’t called UFOs. They were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ [demilitarized zone] in the early summer of 68. And this resulted in quite a little battle. And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved but we always reacted. Always after dark. The same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in 69.
Brown, as U.S.A.F. Chief of Staff, addressing the appearance of UFOs during the Vietnam War at a press conference in Illinois, October 16, 1973.
Name:
General Nathan Twining
Quotes:
The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted ... lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled.
Twining as Head of Air Material Command (AMC), 1947.
The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious. There are objects approximating the shape of a disc, some of which appear flat on bottom and domed on top. These objects are as large as man-made aircraft and have a metallic or light-reflecting surface. Further they exhibit extreme rates of climb and maneuverability with no associated sound and take action which must be considered evasive when contacted by aircraft and radar.
Twining, in a declassified letter to the Pentagon. General Twining was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1957-1960.
Name:
General Robert B. Landry
Quotes:
I was called one afternoon [in 1948] to come to the Oval Office – the President wanted to see me.... I was directed to report quarterly to the President after consulting with Central Intelligence people, as to whether or not any UFO incidents received by them could be considered as having any strategic threatening implications ..
Landry was an aide to President Harry S. Truman.
Name:
General Stephen Lovekin
Quotes:
Colonel Holomon brought out a piece of what appeared to be metallic debris. He went on to explain that this was material that had come from a New Mexico crash in 1947 of an extraterrestrial craft, and that was discussed at length...I got an opportunity to travel with the President [Eisenhower]. He was very, very interested in what made [the UFOs] go. But what happened was that Eisenhower got sold out. He realized that he was losing control of the UFO subject. He realized that the [study of these technologies] was not going to be in the best hands. That was a real concern.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. General Lovekin was in the US Army.
Name:
Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence J. Coyne
Quotes:
With the aircraft under my control, I observed the red-lighted object closing upon the helicopter at the same altitude at a high rate of speed. It became apparent a mid-air collision was about to happen unless evasive action was taken.
I looked out ahead of the helicopter and observed an aircraft I have never seen before. This craft positioned itself directly in front of the moving helicopter. This craft was 50 to 60 feet long with a grey metallic structure. On the front of this craft was a large steady bright red light. I could delineate where the red stopped on the structure of this craft because red was reflecting off the grey structure. The design of this craft was symmetrical in shape with a prominent aft indentation on the undercarriage. From this portion of the undercarriage, a green light, pyramid-shaped, emerged with the light initially in the trail position. This green light then swung 90 degrees, coming directly into the front windshield and lighting up the entire cockpit of the aircraft. All colors inside the cabin of the helicopter were absorbed by this green light. That includes the instrument panel lights on the aircraft.
As a result of my experience, I am convinced this object was real and that these types of incidents should require a thorough investigation. It is my own personal opinion that worldwide procedures need to be established to effectively study this phenomena through an international cooperative effort. The establishment of a Transponder Code for aircraft flying worldwide is needed, to identify to ground controllers that a pilot is indeed experiencing a UFO phenomena and that pilot anxiety can be reduced to provide safe effective flying, knowing he is under radar control.
Lt. Col. Coyne was a U.S. Army Reserve helicopter pilot with 3,000 hours of flying time. He and other three airmen had a close encounter with a UFO on the night of October 18, 1973, while flying in a U.S. Army Bell Huey utility helicopter in the vicinity of Mansfield, Ohio. Lt. Coyne described his experience at a United Nations UFO hearing in 1978.
Name:
Lieutenant D.A. Swimley
Quotes:
And don’t tell me they were reflections, I know they were solid objects.
Swimley, USAF, commenting on a sighting of eight disc shaped objects he and several fellow officers watched circling over Hamilton AFB, California, on August 3, 1953. The objects were also picked up on radar and spotted by many civilian pilots. F-86 Sabres were scrambled to intercept the objects, but the jets were apparently too slow.
Name:
Lieutenant Frederick Fox
Quotes:
There is a [military] publication called JANAP 146E that has a section that says you will not reveal any information regarding the UFO phenomenon under penalty of $10,000 fine and ten years in jail. So the secret has been kept.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Lieutenant was a US Navy Pilot.
Name:
Lieutenant George Gorman
Quotes:
I am convinced there was thought behind the thing’s maneuvers.
Gorman was in the North Dakota Air National Guard. In October, 1948 Gorman (flying an F51) chased a ball of light some eight inches wide for about thirty minutes, through a series of twists, turns and circles, nearly colliding with it on at least one occasion. The object was also witnessed from the control tower at the Fargo Airport through high-powered binoculars.
Name:
Lt. Colonel James McAshan
Quotes:
In concealing the evidence of UFO operations, the Air Force is making a serious mistake.
McAshan was USAF.
Name:
Lt. Colonel Richard Headrick
Quotes:
Saucers exist, I saw two. They were intelligently flown or operated (evasive tactics, formation flight, hovering). They were mechanisms, not United States weapons, nor Russian. I presume they are extraterrestrial.
Headrick was a radar bombing expert, 1959.
Name:
Lt. Frank H. Schofield
Quotes:
Three objects appeared beneath the clouds, their color a rather bright red. As they approached the ship they appeared to soar, passing above the broken clouds. After rising above the clouds they appeared to be moving directly away from the earth. The largest had an apparent area of about six suns. It was egg-shaped, the larger end forward. The second was about twice the size of the sun, and the third, about the size of the sun. Their near approach to the surface appeared to be most remarkable. That they did come below the clouds and soar instead of continuing their southeasterly course is also curious. The lights were in sight for over two minutes and were carefully observed by three people whose accounts agree as to the details.
Lt. Frank H. Schofield, later to become Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet, aboard the U.S.S. Supply off of the eastern coast of Korea, February 28, 1904
Name:
Major Donald E. Keyhoe
Quotes:
The Air Force had put out a secret order for its pilots to capture UFOs.
If, in fact, we are able to find life or to answer the question Are we alone? then that certainly is grand enough and noble enough to be the enduring legacy of our civilization.
NASA, October 1999.
With control of the universe at stake, a crash program is imperative. We produced the A-bomb, under the huge Manhattan Project, in an amazingly short time. The needs, the urgency today are even greater. The Air Force should end UFO secrecy, give the facts to scientists, the public, to Congress. Once the people realize the truth, they would back, even demand a crash program... for this is one race we dare not lose...
Statement in 1953.
Russia and the U. S. have announced they are definitely planning several space machines. So it’s quite possible that the first space ships or satellites may encounter other interplanetary machines, manned or otherwise. Our space devices may even be closely approached by such alien machines.
For the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy concerning proof that UFOs are real machines under intelligent control. From a live national broadcast, on CBS in 1958. Keyhoe had an approved script to follow, but when deviated unexpectedly from it with this astonishing statement, the audio was cut-off in the middle of his sentence, for reasons of national security.
Keyhoe was in the United States Marine Corp.
Name:
Major General E.B. LeBaily
Quotes:
Many of the reports that cannot be explained have come from intelligent and technically well-qualified individuals whose integrity cannot be doubted.
As USAF Director of Information, in a September 28, 1965, letter to USAF Scientific Advisory Board.
Name:
Major General Joe W. Kelly
Quotes:
Air Force interceptors still pursue Unidentified Flying Objects as a matter of national security to this country and to determine technical aspects involved.
Kelly made this statement in 1957.
Name:
Major Gerald Smith
Quotes:
[There was] something definite in the sky...If it had proved to be hostile we would have destroyed it.
Smith, USAF, was one of the F-106 pilots scrambled under orders from NORAD (North American Air Defense Command) to investigate a UFO over West Palm Beach, Florida on September 14, 1972. The UFO was viewed through binoculars by the FAA supervisor, George Morales, sighted by an Eastern Airlines captain, police and several civilians, as well as being tracked on radar by Miami International Airport and Homestead AFB.
Name:
Major Jeremiah Boggs
Quotes:
We were naturally anxious to get hold of one of the [UFOs]. We told pilots to do practically anything in reason, even if they had to grab one by the tail.
Major Jeremiah Boggs was in the U.S. Air Force.
Name:
Major Robert White
Quotes:
There are things out there! There absolutely is! White exclaiming over the radio about a UFO encounter taking place on a 58 mile high X-15 flight on July 17, 1962. I have no idea what it could be. It was greyish in color and about thirty to forty feet away.
He later reported
Name:
Mark McCandlish, US Air Force, Aerospace Illustrator
Quotes:
This [US made] antigravity propulsion system-this flying saucer-was one of three that were in this hangar at Norton Air Force Base. They called [it] the Alien Reproduction Vehicle [ARV], also nicknamed the Flux Liner.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. McCandlish was a US Air Force aerospace illustrator.
Name:
Sergeant Dan Morris
Quotes:
UFOs are both extraterrestrial and manmade...It’s not that our government doesn’t want us to know that there are other people on other planets. What the people in power don’t want us to know is that this free energy [from energy generators developed with UFO technology] is available to everybody. So secrecy about the UFOs is because of the energy issue. When this knowledge is found out by the people, they will demand that our government release this technology, and it will change the world.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Sergeant Morris was a US Air Force NRO operative.
Name:
Sergeant Major Robert O. Dean
Quotes:
Wright Patterson Air Force Base... was the headquarters for the foreign technology division of the U.S. Air Force. It later became the headquarters for the alien technology division of the U.S. Air Force. Wright Patterson, for many years was the central repository of not only the hardware, but some of the little bodies and even some of the living crew members who had been retrieved. But it became very clear after a time that there wasn’t enough room at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. We literally filled up hangar after hangar with hardware. We’re storing it now in at least three different Air Force bases and much of it is being kept underground at a place not too far from Las Vegas just beyond Nellis Air Force Base which is repeatedly referred to as Dreamland, Groom Lake, or Site 51. That, today is one of the biggest repositories of hardware.
...They made...a recommendation to General Limnitzer, the American four star general that I worked for. And they suggested this is so sensitive ... The conclusions that we have reached, we believe could be...substantially earthshaking to the people unless they’re prepared for it. We believe at this point that this should be given the highest classification NATO has [which] at that time was and still is Cosmic Top Secret.
From a videotaped interview in which Dean discussed SHAPE’s alleged report entitled An Assessment based on a 3-year investigation of UFOs being tracked on radar over central Europe. Dean was a former NATO intelligence analyst for SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe)
Name:
US Air Force Lieutenant / Professor Robert Jacobs
Quotes:
So this thing [UFO] fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it and then it moves to the other side and fires another beam of light. And the warhead tumbles out of space. What message would I interpret from that? [The UFOs were telling us] don’t mess with nuclear warheads. Major Mannsman said, You are never to speak of this again. After an article [about the incident years later], people would call and start screaming at me. One night somebody blew up my mailbox.
http://www.aliensthetruth.com/Aliens_quotes.php?view=1&category=Military
I truly believe my dad and brothers and neighbors saw something that night. We are figuring this happened in 1968 so my dad was just about to or already had retired from the Air Force. He had served in Vietnam on an Air Base in Ben Hoa. He definitely knows what planes look like.
Also, we have two other witnesses on this thread—one was a teenager. Her event happened in 1967 and she describes the same time of object and actions my father witnessed. The other witness served in the Navy. I think there have been some pretty credible people over the years that have witnessed these things going on. Like I said, I’m kinda agnostic—don’t know what these objects are, and I know some people are prone to hoax, but I know my dad and brothers aren’t. My dad’s story has never changed over the years. He has never added to it to make it “better”. And I believe the two other FReeper reports on this thread.
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