Posted on 01/23/2009 8:15:56 PM PST by Coyoteman
Did a catastrophic flood of biblical proportions drown the shores of the Black Sea 9,500 years ago, wiping out early Neolithic settlements around its perimeter? A geologist with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) and two Romanian colleagues report in the January issue of Quaternary Science Reviews that, if the flood occurred at all, it was much smaller than previously proposed by other researchers.
Using sediment cores from the delta of the Danube River, which empties into the Black Sea, the researchers determined sea level was approximately 30 meters below present levels—rather than the 80 meters others hypothesized.
“We don’t see evidence for a catastrophic flood as others have described,” said Liviu Giosan, a geologist in the WHOI Geology and Geophysics Department.
Ten thousand years ago, at the end of the last glacial period, the Black Sea was a lake—cut off from the Sea of Marmara and beyond it the Mediterranean by the Bosphorus sill. Debate in geological and archaeological circles has focused on whether, as glaciers melted and global sea levels began to rise, the Bosphorus sill overflowed gradually or whether a flood broke through the sill, drowning some 70,000 square kilometers and wiping out early Neolithic civilizations in the region. In addition to questions about the rate of the flood, investigators continue to debate the extent of the flood -- a debate centered around what the level of the Black Sea was 9,500 years ago.
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(Excerpt) Read more at whoi.edu ...
Or maybe the Genesis account is true.
Depends on how you interpret it, yes?
The timing is off by thousand of years.
The size is off by orders of magnitude.
The effects are off by many orders of magnitude.
So, are you saying there were two floods at different times?
I suppose most things are like that.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=216538&title=changefest-09-obamas-inaugural
There does not seem to be a global flood 4,350 years ago, the time specified by biblical scholars.
There does seem to be another, but very much smaller flood, several thousand years earlier. Archaeologists are working on the details. That's what the article is about.
I’m aware of what the article is about. My question was really aimed at your interpretation of these findings with respect to scriptural account.
Interesting, thanks.
The Age of the Universe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts
“The timing is off by thousand of years. “
Or maybe it isn’t.
If you’re looking for a Genesis analog, look to the Persian Gulf. The same thing would have happened there after the end of the last ice age. The land would have been very wet and fertile so there could have been a “civilization” there (probably stretching the word there).
“One of the most obvious perceived contradictions between Torah and science is the age of the universe. Is it billions of years old, like scientific data, or is it thousands of years, like Biblical data?”
When the article begins by directly stating the Bible says the universe is thousands of years old - it doesn’t - how can one trust anything else the author says?
Which could have come from a bigger flood before that. Do you have a timeline or something that has to do with what you are talking about. I really am interested in it.
Biblical scholars place the global flood about 4,350 years ago. Here are some citations:
2252 BC -- layevangelism.comThe Black Sea event was much earlier--that is the subject of the article, determining the age and extent of that flood.2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).
2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.
2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com
2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html
2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel
2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html
3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)
It is thought by some that the biblical flood had its origins in the Black Sea event. In any case the archaeology of that event is interesting to me.
To Coyoteman,
How's the fundraiser going bishop? Trolling for converts?
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— Saint Augustine
The Persian Gulf was 'bone dry' during the Ice Age.
Deltas are good for da blues, and for people who like to live below sealevel until a big hurricane comes, but that may be it. ;')
Noah's Flood:
The New Scientific Discoveries
About The Event That Changed History
by William Ryan
Walter Pitman
hardcover
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