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FORGET NATURAL BORN, IS HE EVEN A "CITIZEN" ?

Posted on 12/20/2008 6:31:35 PM PST by rocco55

Attorney Berg said Mr. Obama is probably an "illegal alien".

If we cannot access his passports, his birth certificate, his college records:

1. Occidental College records -- Not released 2. Columbia College records -- Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available" 4. Harvard College records -- Not released 5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released 6. Medical records -- Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available 8. His Illinois State Senate records -- Not available 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released 11. Record of baptism -- Not available

and if he has multiple names:

Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry Soetoro

AND he specifically answered the "Any other names" on his bar application to obtain a law degree as "No", we can be sure MANY things about his past warrant serious and intense investigation !

I e-mailed Governor Lingle prior to Andy Martin's case requesting that she stand up for our Constitution. She IS a Republican and she DID make a comment prior to the election that Mr. Obama had limited political experience, so she may have somewhat of a clue what's going on - maybe a BIG CLUE ! Why else would Hussein send her a "Dear Linda" letter ?

Also, being from CT, I have been e-mailing Cort Wronowski for several weeks. It was TOO PITIFUL to see how the state dismissed his case and according to a radio interview, Leo said the state of CT refused to hear his case on improper grounds that did not even apply to his application as it was submitted. SURPRISE ! SURPRISE !

I also wrote Joseph Lieberman (our CT Senator) via certified mail and explained "in detail" the legitimacy of the TRUTH regarding "Factcheck", the short form cert and Obama's "sealed" history ! Is this the behavior of a cooperative official who wants to get to the TRUTH and bring about all this CHANGE ?

I informed him that, to date, there is NOT ONE hospital or medical facility in all Hawaii that has ANY record of Mr. Obama's birth and asked point blank: "Does this, in your highly qualified legal opinion, pose even the slightest 'shadow of a doubt' of this candidate's qualifications ?"

I further stated that if Mr. Obama is inaugurated on 1/20/09, he will place his hand on the Bible and vow to the American people that he will:

"PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES" ! !

I asked Mr. Lieberman:

"Could anything be more IMMEASURABLY IRONIC ????"

About 10 days back, I ran a post in FreeRepublic inquiring about OBAMA'S COLLEGE YEARBOOK. He graduated from Harvard in 1991, but is NOT in the 1991 Harvard Yearbook ! If he was the President of the Harvard Law Review, WHY NOT ?

I went on EBAY and searched EVERY possible college document, article, yearbook, alumni book, sports journal, etc. for Occidental, Princeton and Harvard Universities. I e-mailed questions to the sellers of the applicable items and asked if there was ANY mention of Barry or Barack and ALL of the replies were "NO, SORRY" !

One FreeRepublic reader commented that he went to Harvard personally and searched all College newspapers, announcements, etc., during the Obama years and was dismayed to find "several" missing pages ! He went to other years (prior and after Obama's attendance) and the papers were all intact ! Is this a coincidence ?

Obama's staff probably frequents this site daily to keep one step ahead of the competition. Having unlimited resources and a 30 million dollar campaign surplus, he can afford to have a 24/7 staff searching ANY negative feedback and once they find it, they can GOOGLE it to death with rebuttals. I told a friend who accused me of being an "ultra-right-wing die-hard Republican" about six weeks ago to search 'Obama birth certificate' on line and see for herself.

She wrote back and said the first 6 hits all said the birth cert is real and it was even verified by TWO reviewers "FactCheck" and "PolitiFact" ! Pul----lease !

I was recently summoned for Jury Duty and today I wrote the Judicial Branch of CT that I will not serve Jury duty because the state of CT turned down Cort Wronowski's case and sent in their electoral votes without verifying that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen and he may not even be a U.S. citizen AT ALL ! Consequently, I cannot serve a judicial system that does not uphold and defend our Constitution.

Obama most likely attended college as a "foreign student" and is possibly still not a legal U.S. citizen. Why else would he go to such great lengths to "seal" ---or better stated, "CONCEAL" his past ?

The dilemma we face is, without someone kidnapping his children and holding them hostage for his birth cert, we might all DIE with that document sitting in a vault ! How sad is that ?

I entertained the idea of actually renting a Highway Billboard (I heard it's approximately $1500 for one month) with a slogan that could not be regarded as racist --possibly :

"I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT IS 100% BLACK AND HONEST THAN ONE WHO IS HALF-WHITE AND WON'T SHOW HIS BIRTH CERT ! "

How else can we get the attention of ANYONE ? 99% of all Americans do not even know there is a CRISIS going on because when the MSM covers a "lawsuit dismissal", it is portrayed in a such a negative light with the usual "Factcheck" references and the "mis-information" that the state of Hawaii has "confirmed that Obama was born there", that the public has no choice but to accept it ! Of course, they think we're kooks ! It's what they're being told by NBC, CBS, FOX, Associated Press, etc.

Would it make sense to file a more basic and fundamental lawsuit (possibly against Pelosi, who had the unmitigated gall to sign off on his eligibility) to verify if Hussein is even a U. S. citizen AT ALL ? Would that obligate the defendants to produce even a passport, or this that TOO MUCH to hope for ? !

I find myself searching and praying for ANY legitimate way of exposing this Usurper...only saving grace is, if we are near the "end of the World", maybe this is part of God's plan....when ancient Israel rejected Him, He gave them what they wanted "King Saul", who proved to be unfaithful and was superseded by David...but for us, we can still fight and appeal our cause....even JESUS called Herod a "fox" !

Any attorneys out there ? Is a case against Pelosi worth pursuing ? Is the "cititzen" question, in and of itself (without the 'natural born' issue) a case less likely to be dismissed ? Can anyone else brainstorm a better option ??


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To: frog in a pot

Ah, you don’t see it, do you?

I am still serving, and will until they tell me not to. And I will defy The One (piss be upon him) each and every way that I can.

But I am weary of seeing all the Internet Rambo’s who are seven foot tall and 350 pounds behind a keyboard;
Talking about shooting Americans and revolting against the coming regime;
Civil War;
Second Revolution;
Buy out Wal-Mart’s guns;
We’re only 24 hours away from beating Obama (no make that 24 business hours and a $10 donation);
Just wait, Palin’s coming back;

It’s all crap. Not a single one of these people will ever stand against the coming storm.


41 posted on 12/20/2008 7:26:18 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: newenglandpatriot

Our constitution is being stripped away and even conservatives are ignoring it.

The Michigan house of representatives recently passed a resolution that sidesteps the electoral college if signed into law. What it seems to mean is that the popular vote is counted as normal but then it is combined with two or 3 other states and the winner of those states combined gets all the electoral college votes. I think GA. is one of the states involved in this mess.

Pdf file.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2007-2008/billintroduced/House/pdf/2008-hIB-6610.pdf


42 posted on 12/20/2008 7:27:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: rocco55
Headline, 10 Jan. 2009:

Court rejects Berg. Obama bailout?
Some Are Too Big To Risk Failing Constitution Test: SCOTUS
"Little people still subject to microscopic scrutiny," says Court spokesman. . . . .

My birth certificate which I have had to provide on several occasions lists the address of the hospital/institution or in my case the street address of birth. It's signed by a physcian who witnessed the birth.

I realize that a manger has no address but couldn't Obama at least provide the county road address of the stable?

I know also that for some there's no controlling legal authority but..

If the Constitution ain't law I don't know what the hell is -- controlling legal authority or not.

43 posted on 12/20/2008 7:29:26 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kevmo

Do a search on Admission by silnce and you’ll find a lot of reading on it.

here’s one such thing:

Admission by silence


Posted: September 18, 1998

By John N. Doggett
WorldNetDaily.com

Lawyers are amazed that Bill Clinton has not denied the accuracy of Monica Lewinsky’s testimony about their relationship. “Admission by Silence” is one of the most devastating rules of evidence. The idea is simple, clear and powerful. When someone accuses you of doing something bad or illegal in a legal proceeding, you must deny it or your failure to do so will be construed as an admission to the truth of the allegations.

-snip-

Btw, by contrast, i believe the rule of interpretation is different in the UK.


44 posted on 12/20/2008 7:31:05 PM PST by Canedawg ("The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it")
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To: a real Sheila

If you attempt to morph Barry’s face from either BHO Sr or even Marshal Davis, it just does’t seem to work. Any evidence that Stanley (Ann) was anywhere near DNA material from Malcolm X within the proper time frame?


45 posted on 12/20/2008 7:31:41 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: frog in a pot

In my opinion, there are some people who post online and use names such as “sarge” to give people the impression that they have served in the U.S. military. Every veteran that I know cares deeply about the Obama birth certificate issue and would never try to convince others that this issue should not be pursued. Military servicemembers and our veterans fought and continue to fight to defend our Constitution and to protect us from our enemies.

If someone chooses to ignore the facts surrounding Barack Obama’s birth certificate and every other record he is hiding, that’s their right. However, when they go so far as to try and convince others that they should not attempt to seek the truth, then one has to wonder what their motives are.


46 posted on 12/20/2008 7:32:27 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Slings and Arrows; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
Thanks, Slings and Arrows. The List probably will be interested.

Ping.

47 posted on 12/20/2008 7:33:35 PM PST by LucyT
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

ping for later reading


48 posted on 12/20/2008 7:34:35 PM PST by TruthCanHurt
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To: Old Sarge

“Does it matter anymore?

SCOTUS refuses to hear the case.

It’s over.”

Absolutely untrue. All SCOTUS has done so far is refuse to hear applications for interim stays. The actual cases are still working through the system.


49 posted on 12/20/2008 7:37:03 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: CaribouCrossing

Posers will try anything.

FR can smell them a mile away.


50 posted on 12/20/2008 7:38:18 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: rocco55; All

You know, Mr. Berg does have a point. Any illegal alien can obtain a drivers license of a false identity. Until we see, and I mean SEE, not just take the word of his autobiography, his records, what do we know?

Guys, I’m really starting to get more than a little creeped out.


51 posted on 12/20/2008 7:40:42 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: Nipfan

Do you honestly think they’ll bother?


52 posted on 12/20/2008 7:46:08 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: tumblindice

“2.) Those who think this is a waste of time can move on to another thread, we will fight for the Constitution and carry your weight, but stay out of our path.”

I’m with you!


53 posted on 12/20/2008 7:49:44 PM PST by autumnraine
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To: RepublicanMeansAmerican

Any in depth documentary for Jr will be like any Preidential library for him, empty except for a picture of Jr and the Jackie wannabe!


54 posted on 12/20/2008 7:50:20 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: SERKIT
If you attempt to morph Barry’s face from either BHO Sr or even Marshal Davis, it just does’t seem to work. Any evidence that Stanley (Ann) was anywhere near DNA material from Malcolm X within the proper time frame?

Yes, Stanley Ann was enrolled at the University of Washington in Seattle, which is where Malcolm X was living. So it's possible, although the fellow who raised this theory didn't actually prove it, IMHO. But it's certainly possible.

I don't think Obama's father was Obama senior. He is too light-skinned, and they don't look at all alike.

But who knows? What gets me is that the Supreme Court refuses to require Obama to release his birth records. That's hardly an unreasonable thing to ask.

As for the damned press, sitting back and doing NO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA AT ALL--friends, college roommates, college records, health records. It's far worse than their complicity with ClintBilly.

55 posted on 12/20/2008 7:51:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Theodore R.

America was so enamored with the Clintons that after ony two years in office, the Republicans gained a substantial majority in Congress. We can only pray that will happen again in 2010, but this time with real Conservatives who will actually make a difference and not the compromising baloney of Newt Gringrich et.al. who squandered it all.


56 posted on 12/20/2008 7:54:27 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Old Sarge

Do you honestly think they’ll bother?
***What is your motive, your purpose on this CertifiGate thread? Regardless of whether the SCOTUS will take up the case, you denigrate it as something to “bother” with. Don’t you think the constitution should be upheld by those whose job it is to uphold it? Why else do they get lifetime employment? It’s to buffer them from political winds. What is your FReeping problem? This is a constitutional crisis, with a case before the supreme court, and we’re discussing it on this constitutionalist website with REMFs like you shooting us in the backs. WHY? When the framers of the constitution said “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”, was that just some sort of fun musical tone to sing to or was it some serious stuff to be considered?

20th Amendment Sct3: “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2145602/posts
12/09/2008 9:59:02 AM PST · by Kevmo · 79 replies · 1,619+ views
Constitution of the United States ^ | January 23, 1933 | US Constitution


57 posted on 12/20/2008 7:56:43 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Old Sarge

OK, if you are still serving and you have done your tour(s) in the sand box, I will back off.

“It’s all crap. Not a single one of these people will ever stand against the coming storm.”

You may have a point; but, I have some good news for you. There are a bunch just like you who are no longer serving who will stand. Many have recent experience, and those that do not make it a point to maintain their proficiency, many are LEO’s, many are capable and dedicated in other ways. Many will depend upon you because you will have had the most recent experience.

As you know the American Revolution was waged with a very small portion of the population.

“Ah, you don’t see it, do you?”

It may be good we have different perspectives.


58 posted on 12/20/2008 8:03:01 PM PST by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: mountaineer1997

Our system is not failing us. We have people in power now who do not respect the Constitution. We have a mainstream press that propagandizes rather than objectively reports. I think we’d be fine if lawmakers respected the Constitution and the press attempted to objectively report on the news.


59 posted on 12/20/2008 8:03:40 PM PST by beejaa
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To: Cicero

I am amazed by BHO’s mother - only 17, going to college and walking on the wild side in 1960. Very daring for those times - she was out to prove something - another story the Media dare not explore. I hadn’t heard the Malcom X angle. I would be surprised if that were true, but it makes more sense than the Kenyan. Barak Sr. may have thought he was the babydaddy, but Stanley probably didn’t even know herself. The relatives in Kenya now are all under a gag order from the Govt. This truly is amazing that no one dare come forward. Where did those pictures of BHO as a young man come from? This is the Twilight Zone.


60 posted on 12/20/2008 8:06:18 PM PST by Sioux-san
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