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Why Don't They Do SETI?
SPACE.com ^ | may 8 2008 | Seth Shostak

Posted on 05/08/2008 12:15:14 PM PDT by chaos_5

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My first, naïve thought was that this was the legacy of America's frontier history. Innovation and the occasional gamble on a long shot were necessary and sometimes essential in an unsettled environment. So perhaps SETI sat more comfortably on American shoulders than on others.

Hmmm... Perhaps he is on to something.

1 posted on 05/08/2008 12:15:15 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: chaos_5

Frank Drake is a neighbor of mine. Extremely intelligent man...........and I had to giggle when I found out he likes square dancing. Heheheh.


2 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:39 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: chaos_5
Why is SETI nearly exclusively an American game?

Maybe a massive radio antenna tasked to look for 'alien life' is really just a cover?

3 posted on 05/08/2008 12:18:53 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: chaos_5
SETI is at best wishful thinking and at worst it's own religion. Taxpayer dollars should not be spent on it.

There's plenty of wishful thinkers with cash out there who I'm sure are more than willing to foot the bill for what is in reality an enormous waste of time.

4 posted on 05/08/2008 12:21:41 PM PDT by GunRunner
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Let’s see, if we receive signals from some intelligent broadcaster,

the signals would have had to originate thousands of years previous to reception...

and what would have happened to that civilization in the “present” (gets weird when you deal in time and distance like this)...

doesn’t seem like a good use of time and resources.


5 posted on 05/08/2008 12:25:25 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: GunRunner
There's plenty of wishful thinkers with cash out there who I'm sure are more than willing to foot the bill for what is in reality an enormous waste of time.

Yep.

Consider, too, what intelligent life would want to attempt communications with a species which radiates the sort of crap that has overwhelmingly taken up our broadcast bandwidth for the past thirty years?

6 posted on 05/08/2008 12:29:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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What if the first thing we receive is the alien equivalent of "Survivor: Alpha Centauri"?
7 posted on 05/08/2008 12:47:38 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: chaos_5
Actually, the Dutch are closer to the Americans in this regard then many of their European neighbors. The Greeks, French, Belgians, Italians, and Germans are even more inclined to avoid uncertainty then residents of The Netherlands. (Only the British do substantially better: In fact, their score is lower than the Americans'.) ... Meanwhile, I note that both India and China score lower than the U.S. on Hofstede's index.

What is the coorelation between age and uncertainty avoidance? On average the European countries are older than us while China and India are younger.

8 posted on 05/08/2008 12:50:00 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: chaos_5
For those whom may be interested:

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/

Why let your home computer waste millions of CPU cycles running a screen saver when it could be analyzing SETI data? Computer users from around the world are able to participate in this major scientific experiment.

Have a blast, actually I thought Seti was the father of Ramesses II, during the 19th dynasty.

9 posted on 05/08/2008 12:51:35 PM PDT by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: MrB

“Let’s see, if we receive signals from some intelligent broadcaster,
the signals would have had to originate thousands of years previous to reception...”

Well, maybe not THAT far.
I remember when I was becoming a ham radio operator in 1958, there was a buzz about our first high power VHF signals, from the advent of television, would have reached the nearest star, 11 light years away, and the time was near that we might have some reply from a planet associated with that star. Just imagine someone on another planet seeing those old Amos and Andy films ;)

While I do listen to Kook-to-Kook AM, I am not one of the kooks, and I am an extreme skeptic that we are being visited, but I think it is fine that the world has a few big antennas and automatic scanning receivers looking into space. The cost is not that high.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 12:53:05 PM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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the signals would have had to originate thousands of years previous to reception...

How many watts would they have to transmit on an antenna how big for us to receive it from 1000 light years away?

11 posted on 05/08/2008 12:55:29 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: chaos_5
Related story
12 posted on 05/08/2008 12:56:14 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Do we really want either Huma Abedin or Michelle Obama answering the White House phone at 3 AM?)
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To: DungeonMaster

Ask the ham radio guy, but I think once they get out of the atmosphere without being defracted, they travel until they hit something, regardless of the wattage.


13 posted on 05/08/2008 12:58:48 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Quix

O.P.I. ping....


14 posted on 05/08/2008 1:14:15 PM PDT by The SISU kid (I feel really homesick all the time & so do all the other aliens.....)
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To: chaos_5

Do we even want to make contact with a space faring culture? If they can travel between the stars in a reasonable amount of time then chances are they could paste us flat without a great deal of effort no matter how many nukes we lobbed.

Or maybe I’ve been watching too many old Twilight Zone episodes and they make me paranoid. The whole “To Serve Mankind” deal being a cook book made quite an impression on me when I first saw it.


15 posted on 05/08/2008 1:41:44 PM PDT by utherdoul
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To: chaos_5

INTELLIGENCE INTREP


16 posted on 05/08/2008 2:41:27 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: KarlInOhio
What if the first thing we receive is the alien equivalent of "Survivor: Alpha Centauri"?

Worse, what if we start receiving "Dancing IN the Stars??"

 

17 posted on 05/08/2008 2:52:54 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan)
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To: JRios1968; Smokin' Joe
Or how about, “Target the third planet from Sol"

SETI project can not receive any single out side our solar system. We talked about this the other day here:
Earth 'Noise' Could Attract Alien Invaders

The diffusion of EM signals wash out after a couple light years.

18 posted on 05/08/2008 4:51:46 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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Or how about, “Target the third planet from Sol"

"But Daddy, they are messing up my vid reception during my favorite show! Please , Daddy! Just zot the planet! Please! Please! Please! (jumping up and down, or the species equivalent)"

Daddy: "Oh, all right, if will let me have a moment's peace..."

Yep. I can see that.

19 posted on 05/08/2008 5:08:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
And then...


20 posted on 05/08/2008 5:27:11 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan)
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