Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4
Mark...
And to add..One thing I’ve noticed is that people are willing to forgive and forget the shady dealings of all involved as long as they appear to be going after Stern . I really don’t think anyone in this whole story is credible. I don’t trust the Shelley/Thompson clan. Moe and Taz have changed their stories left and right. Online sleuthing is interesting but with all the lies, mistruths, and contradicting statements do we really know what happened? It’s very frustrating and very sad.
It's just so hard to get info because so much is behind closed doors and we don't have a Freeper in the Bahamas to check records.
Of course one could go to the Harris site. He shows no bias. :-)
Between you and me...I think Larry is in big trouble. He's disappeared into the woodwork.
Larry is in trouble. I think he is either gay or bi and he knows that if he pushes the lawsuit it will backfire on him. I think there is a tape out there. If not him and Stern that him and some other guy. I would love to see Dannielynn but I’m not going to pay for it.
It’s not even a question of being in the Bahamas or in Florida. The press and the police have done a horrible job with regard to these two deaths. Simple things that could be followed up on have not. Why should we have to speculate on who was called at the preschool on the day that Anna died? Why should we have to speculate on when the will was actually faxed? Has the police gotten the phone records? If they did and they show that Stern lied why hasn’t he been charged with perjury..? These are the kind of things that tee me off. I’m tired of speculation..I want cold hard facts. I want depositions and police reports but I’m sure we’ll never get them. People dump on the Bahamas but sometimes I feel the Florida investigation was even worse. I hope CA is doing a better job.
I couldn't find any disciplinary action against Dr. Charles Eaton. I did find where he went to school umpteen years to get multiple degrees and certification in hand surgery before returning to Palm Beach. Is this the same one you were referring to?
Her license site says, physician, surgeon.
For the Ohio Licensing Center site, KE declared her specialties as psychiatry, child & adolescent psychiatry, and psychoanalysis - initial licensing date 08/13/1976. Since then she could have added other specialties. IIRC, one report indicated her interested included emergency medicine and internal medicine.
Has anyone heard from Rte. lately. I haven't seen any posts from her in the last two days...I may have missed them. Rte, if you're lurking, how are you? Let us know how your hands are and if you're okay, please?
everyone else testifying? who, everyone else? LB? HKS? the crap that LB fed to Virgie so she would also be focused on Anna’s ‘drug use’, too, and play right into his and HKS’s hand?? First word out from ‘everyone’ was suicide, right?
Shelleys/GBen have said from the very start, that anna was ‘normal’ when Howard was not around. They have never waivered from that statement. Shelley was shocked, hurt, from seeing the clown video - all have said, that’s not the anna they knew. LB even buttresses their statements with his own, quote I just posted, about how Anna was ‘cleaned up’ when she returned from the Shelleys...
and.....I don’t CARE what LB ‘testified’ about ‘drug addiction’ hospitalization - there is NO OUTSIDE source to date that has cooaberated his testimony except for, that single article, unless there’s something in Rita’s book that nobody’s posted yet. LB’s custody/child support case ws based on Anna being an addict - the only thing that would get him a top attorney - it was his only shot! well, with his little hgh syringe, too...
“OK! Magazine - March 5th ‘07 -page 23. It states: Kicking the habit Anna was in her 17th week of gestation when she secretly entered a treatment program at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in LA last year. During her 18 day stay, doctors prescribed, methodone a HEROIN substitute...to ‘overcome ADDICTION’, THE FRIEND says”
Anna was in for two weeks - LB’s court filing has discharge May 5 - Anna’s own words - she was rushed to the hospital, she was a high-risk pregnancy. I know of no detox facility, hospital or not, who allows two outsiders to come and go and reside in the room unsupervised - especially, when one is arguing with the patient, ‘several times’. LB was focused on talking to the doctors about ultrasounds - viewing ultrasounds - forceably invading Anna’s privacy as a mother if you ask me! Think about that.
Then, think about this email allegedly written BEFORE Anna went into that hospital, and obtained by the GLOBE:
M: why... oh S*** so you are pregnant?
Hot: awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
M: wait, I’m very happy for you anna
Hot: WAAAAAAAH** YEAH, TELL ME BOUT IT... BUT F***, THE GUY IS TRYING TO GET CUSTODY HE’S VERY MEAN... LAWS F**** UP... HE DIDN’T EVEN CARE TILL NOW
M: S***!!! is it that publicist guy who lived there
Hot: YEAH... THE F*** (disparaging word for gays)
Anna Nicole and her friend then discuss ways to discredit Birkhead so she can keep custody of the baby.
M: he’s nobody... we can find some drug S*** on him or something, right?
Hot: NO, I TRIED. I WAS SO SICK HE DIDN’T CARE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HE DOES... HE HAS ALWAYS WANTED A NAME FOR HIMSELF OFF ME, WELL, HE GOT IT
M: you have to figure out how to get full custody
Hot: I NO, I’M WORKING ON IT
M: i’m sorry anna... you will get thru this, I promise
[snip]
HKS has no testimony about the hospital room. LB is very very sketchy in his testimony about the room - reverting always to ‘drugs in the house’ and ‘carrying Anna’. He had TWO WEEKS to get outside or higher-up help if drugs were really being brought into the hospital.
“According to at least one article, the paternity papers filed in CA on Birkhead’s behalf state Anna was in the hospital from sometime in April to May 5, 2006. Birkhead testified she was there for two weeks.”
Only a starry-eyed teenage girl would buy that he didn’t take any action at all because of a confidentiality agreement. he was the quoted object of a paternity story two days BEFORE Anna’s release - against a confidentiality agreement!
“May 03, ‘06 - Anna Nicole Smith reportedly pregnant -article released by UPI
May 03rd, ‘06 - May 06 - Anna Nicole Smith . . . It’s Not The TrimSpa Baby! 5-3-06 (Pictures at site)[Birkhead quoted]”
May 04th, ‘06 - “Smith’s lawyer and spokesman, Howard K. Stern, has issued a statement on Thursday (04.05.06), saying: “If Anna Nicole is pregnant, she obviously doesn’t want anybody to know yet.”
May 05th, ‘06 - ANS discharged
Anna was Prescribed Methadone At The Hospital, according to the single article we’ve seen on the topic. Her use of same after discharge was monitored and measured at least until HKS hunted her down to the bahamas home.
I’m sticking with that until someone proves that article incorrect or we see a formal press release from that hospital.
LB claims to have a ‘personal collection’ of Anna photos, in addition to the ones he was paid by Anna to take of Anna. What better evidence one way or the other for timedated digital originals from his own memory sticks as to whether Anna was ‘lit to the gills’ all of the time? and If Anna was always having to ‘be carried’ and nobody was ‘sure she would live’, then why didn’t our buddy LB take massive amounts of snapshots - just in case, just to save his own butt? He only knew her for a very short time and half of that was rocky at best and in separate residences...certainly he would be thinking, I gotta make sure nobody blames me if this bimbo o’d’s in bed with me??
Seildin got snowed just like a lot of us, but he was smart enough to let HKS and LB talk until each got himself in trouble, then he changed the subject - letting words hang there, for people who notice things that don’t pass the ‘would my neighbor/would a stranger’ ‘do that’ test.
JMO IMO MOO
oh, and add Hollier to the list of those Anna told/alluded to, she was in danger....
“She was at the match Jan 6. Not sure when she checked in that week, I forget, sorry.”
ya, me 2. just skimming, i have anywhere from Jan 6th to 9th - also two scripts written on 1/8 - the lasix and potassium
originating pharmacies would help
he knew the ch was there - it was in the room - the way I read it, a preliminary screen didn’t pick it up - but the extended screen picked up the metabolites. he just wouldn’t know how much had been injested until metabolite levels came back from the lab who’d assessed various organs, including the brain, for those metabolite levels
aren’t all psychiatrists taught hypnosis techniques?
if she was given potassium - would that temporarily artifically elevate levels to ‘normal’?
why would anyone need rx potassium?
“emergency medicine” ???
maybe Anna was the practice manniquin j/k?!
we need the hallway videos to track that bouncing icebucket! lol
i have that bon-blurt....I’m trying to find someone else to back up one of the first stories out - the story of the maid that reportedly said ice bath and seizures were going on the morning of...say, between 10 and 12 when moe was out of the room?
I don’t believe it ws KE at the ambulance - could she have made it back to LA in time, to be flying in with MS? why would she purger herself day one by saying she left the prior afternoon?
LB also knew about KE - he lived next to her while he ws with Anna, right? so why didn’t LB ever say anything about KE in court? The only thing he ever said about doctors was something about ‘doctors a, b and c’ - and nobody pressed him for names...strange.....and strange that noone pressed HKS further on the topic - same for Bonnie - if she was just protecting her brother why didn’t she sacrifice KE?
who was Really the “queen bee”?
I’m here - not feeling well. The BP med the doc gave me makes me sleep round the clock. Can’t sit up at puter long enough to get anything done; have to lie back down.
Hands got to a certain point and then never got any better. Too sleepy and sick at my stomach all the time to do anything about it.
Had one little ANS project I was trying to do in addition to the CNL revision, which once again won’t get done in time for the inquest start.
The other little thing I was trying to do was still on the actual date (yearwise) when ANS and HKS met. People just keep going on and on at other websites about the “12 years” he worked for her. That just isn’t possible and I still say it wasn’t until 1998 when she first hired him.
Anyway, I was trying to check out which office building Michael Levine was officed in when he said HKS was in the same building and bringing ANS in to use his conference room.
Michael Levine is a PR person who was acting as Aunt BonBon’s crisis manager (lol) during the paternity stuff. He was also a source for some “news articles” during that time, which were obviously HKS-biased - and then he sort of went away.
He also claimed to have seen HKS “12 years ago” when he was just starting out as an attorney, in that office building situation I described. I traced him back to his former PR firm (he’s an author of many books, some of which I own, and more recently headed LCO-Levine Communications Office before stepping aside), Levine-Schneider PR.
In 1994-1995, which is 12 years ago, his office was at 8730 W Sunset Blvd., when he was handling Michael Jackson, among others. I’ve looked high and low for something showing HKS ever having that business address and can’t find anything even close.
Levine’s partner Schneider officed in Marina del Rey after their split, but not in the building where HKS, Shebby and Boesch were. Then later Schneider was in Sherman Oaks, HKS’s ‘hood - but he’s not Levine, who is the one with the alleged memories.
Since I still maintain that HKS didn’t meet ANS until 1998, I tried to match any other HKS addresses. The one he used for the rock band he managed for free was listed in Jan 1998 as 9615 Brighton Way, Beverly Hills 90210. Another talent agency was started the same week at that same address and suite number by a CPA named Weber, and a number of celebs use it as their mail drop - so I’m guessing it was an exec suite type arrangement, with a shared receptionist/secretary - and not really a full office for HKS.
I also found that usually when it was a BevHills addy, BonBon had an office in the same place. Didn’t find one at that addy, but prolly just a matter of digging.
At any rate, I can’t draw any conclusions about whether that story was true or not - HKS bringing ANS into Levine’s conference room for pressers. I couldn’t ever figure out that hotel where Anna’s mysterious “incident” happened in Feb 1998 when she was arrested - all the mentions I found just said “Sunset Blvd” hotel.
I wondered if it was the Mondrian, which is just a couple of blocks from that Levine address. OTOH, the date would make it when HKS listed the 90210 addy - so my own pet theory about someone calling him to get her out of jail as a favor probably doesn’t hold water.
Whew! Back to the drawing board, I suppose. I just get tired of seeing that “poor Howie” giving up the last “12 years” of his life for ANS. I still say it wasn’t even 10 yet.
That interview with Sandy Serrano, who had been one of Anna’s hairdressers in Studio City and became friends with her, told of the journey from The Bahamas to the Hard Rock in January when they went to buy the Cracker and also went to the fights on Jan 6.
Sandy told it like it was kind of spur-of-the-moment. She had gone to The Bahamas on vacation and then “all of them” went to FL. She talked about leaving the Bahamas by plane on the morning of January 10 to go home to CA.
Anyway, she never mentioned Dr Khris, but it appears KE must’ve been there. There are so many times that life events of ANS’s are chronicled and KE had to have been there, but no one ever mentions her! Spook!
Whoever was taking Lasix (diuretic) needed their potassium to be replaced.
That’s not what the “hypnotic” drug definition of meds like chloral hydrate means. It’s more like a “soporific” effect - inducing sleep.
The trancelike effect of hypnosis is “like” sleep, but it *isn’t* sleep.
I’ve never quite figured Hollier out. In AnnaLand or on Planet Vickie, “bodyguard” was a euphemism for “big guy Anna is sleeping with.”
All reports said he had worked for her for 6 years (including a one-on-one done here locally), but I just don’t see how or where. He lives and has lived in Houston or the Houston area all this time and she hadn’t set foot here in years and years. (Unless she maybe had a touch-up or two on her boobs or lipo that had to be done here, which I doubt, with Hollywood docs at her beck and call.)
He guarded her for her handful of court appearances during a 2-week period of the probate case here - even the court docs detailed that she had “expenses” for “two bodyguards” (and her CA Lawyer, lol), although I’m not even sure he was one of the two.
That was in Jan-Feb 2001, IIRC, and Hollier claimed to have started working for her in 2002, which is the year her ANShow started in August. Maybe he went out to CA and was part of that crew, but I haven’t located any confirmation of that.
She didn’t start the TrimSpa contract until fall 2003, and later met Moe and asked him to be her bodyguard for that TrimSpa tour - just a few events in 2004, I believe.
I just never have figured out when Hollier actually worked for her (in public, lol) and if it was really over a span of 6 years, as he said.
It sounded more like he was a hanger-on, if he felt close enough from those few court appearance guardings to stay in touch with her and go to Daniel’s funeral - and then to be a pallbearer at Anna’s. It just seems odd to me.
And when he said he’d never seen her take pills or do drugs - when most of North America and a few other continents had seen her loopy on a regular basis - I “sided with Seidlin” when he tossed him.
All the MD licenses say that, at least that I’ve seen.
“PHYSICIAN/SURGEON
Description
Physicians diagnose, treat, perform surgery, or prescribe any treatment of medicine for any disease or human ailment. ...”
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