Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima
Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4
Always thought DWAU was Ford Shelly but could never get a confirmation.
kk, Thanks. I’ve seen The Delusional Walk Among Us posting before and had decided to keep an eye on him/her.
Geraldo came back after a break with Ryan Smith and a woman Judge added to the panel. The Judge passionately states there is a case to be made against HKS. Ryan Smith also chimes in his disbelief at what HKS inflicted on Ford Shelly’s little girl. BTW Ford had said that he didn’t want to release this tape but decided that the truth had to replace the lies HKS is telling. Ford was very emotional in a guy sort of way. Said his daughter has had emotional difficulty dealing with what happened.
The first commentator (?) male talks about the methadone found both in Anna’s bile and in Daniel upon autopsy. Without saying it, Geraldo is putting a case together of HKS drugging Anna with a bottle that made her hallucinate (methadone??). Ford said that she was in a lucid state of mind when he dropped off his daughter. Next fact, Daniel is dead of methadone (large amount has been rumored although we haven’t heard the official autopsy yet). Next fact, Anna is dead with traces of methadone (taken three days prior to her death) in her bile. HKS’s long, delicate hands had been in control of all that methadone.
Geraldo deserves kudos for doing this show tonight. Shelly’s decision to turn the tape over to government will make a difference. The only thing that worries me is Jerry Brown being in charge of this tape. Jerry Brown’s interest is in making a national name for himself on a celebrity drug case. This is not primarily a drug case, but possibly a case of two premeditated murders. One in the jurisdiction of the Bahamas, and one in the jurisdiction of an Indian tribe in Florida.
You said it better than I could. There is a possibility that Howard could be charged with Endangerment to a child and attempted murder to an unborn child. That is 2 counts of murder/manslaughter and 1 count attempted murder of Dannielynn and 1 count of Child Endangerment. We may not even need the inquest in the Bahamas since that is such a mess and Howard will be in jail.
You know what I have no idea how true his messages are. He comes into my room about every other day and really is a very nice person. So if he is a fake at least he never wrote anything bad. Only time will tell...
I'm just trying to figure out who is possibly "real" and who might be imposters or fakes.
I think it was indeed Mark Steines whom Howard was either talking to or making verbal notes to.
When Howard referred to that post being white, I think he was telling Mark to photoshop out the pink decorations around the post. Howard probably didn't want anyone to be able to identify the day or that it was supposed to be a belated birthday party for a little 9 year old girl.
IMO, of course.
How could Howard be charged in California for a crime committed in another country?
believe the blond is a production asst? have seen this photo of ‘nanny’ before but no mention, no name, no nothing - perhaps the one who took over from the Alexis’es?
Here’s one he wrote Sept. 29...
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As difficult as it appears for people to accept the reality of the situation (and I firmly believe it’s because it has never been portrayed accurately in the press), Anna’s baby was conceived via in vitro fertilization. Accept it as fact, and move on. This is apparently one of those sticking points I was alluding to when I said people are arguing over something that, ultimately, does not matter (I don’t think) when trying to understand what happened to Dan and Anna.
My reason for bringing it up here, though, is that more than half of America is under the impression that Larry and Anna had a sexual relationship that resulted in the birth of that little girl. The word “father” connotes different meanings, and the type of father Larry is promoting himself as, and profiting from, isn’t the case. The the child were born out of a loving and intimate relationship, as Larry portrays she was, I’d leave it alone. But Larry’s sperm specimen was one among a half-dozen or so that Anna chose.
Additionally, Larry entered an agreement with Anna similar to that which men must enter into when giving specimens to sperm banks—i.e., forfeiture of future claims of paternity. If Howard is holding anything over Larry’s head, especially in regard to securing executorship for himself, it is probably this signed agreement. In my mind, it’s a pretty big deal.
Now, I like Larry. I just think he’s gone off the deep end. Money has a way of doing that, when it all comes at once. I don’t like what he has become. I would have thought that being a father would have superseded the allure of money and he would have settled down. Instead, I see him using Dannielynn more as a prop, and that infuriates me. That was Anna’s baby. She gave Dannielynn life. And for Larry to treat the little girl as nothing more than a bouncing bundle of dough kills me.
But I know Larry. His conscience will get the better of him and he will come around. He’s a good guy, if not impulsive and prone to act on his emotions before thinking things through.
As for the contents of the hard drive of the PC Howard used for images. Let me start off by saying that there is more than two PCs and it can be confusing when trying to identify them. All of the PCs were Anna’s. Anna kept one, primarily for her own use and, in CA, it was kept in her bedroom. But Howard used all of the others. Only he would know which one he used for what.
But I do know that he keeps one solely for storing media files, which includes videos, sound recordings, and photographs. On top of that, I know he uses a web-based host to upload his files to and also to download from. I watched him using it several times. And the things that I mentioned, sex videos, etc., were there.
As for the crushed methadone. This is what I was told by someone (I’ll call him Witness) who was there, in the hospital room, before the police had secured the area. And there was a good chunk of time before the room was cordoned off and evidence was taken away:
There was a plastic cup and a napkin in the wastebasket next to the second bed. Those were the only items in the wastebasket. Looking down into the wastebasket, the witness said he saw what looked like a fine, white powder residue on the bottom of the cup.
On the counter around the sink, in the crevasse where the sink meets the counter, there were more traces of the white powder. Later, after the police had arrived, the Witness noticed that the wastebasket was empty, including the plastic liner. Plus, the sink counter had been cleaned thoroughly. All traces of the white powder were gone.
The Witness does not know if the police were the ones who took the plastic cup or if an aide or some employee of the hospital wiped down the counter. But neither of those scenarios makes sense to me. Why would anyone at the hospital suddenly decide it was time to clean the room? And the police didn’t start collecting evidence until after the room was closed off, and they closely monitored who and what entered and left the room.
And then the pills were found in the second bed, one of which turned out to be methadone. If Howard brought in the methadone for Anna (because she said the hospital’s painkillers were enough to take away the pain), and she was perfectly capable of swallowing pills, why the plastic cup with the residue on the bottom? Why use the plastic cup to crush the pills, if they were meant for Anna.
And let’s just take that tack for a moment: Suppose Howard did crush the pills and put it in Anna’s drink, per her request. Could Dan have drunk her drink? No way! Dan was well aware of his mother’s habits of putting things in her drinks and would not drink out of any container she was using.
The Witness also said that, from as far as he could tell, the police had removed all of the remaining food containers and cups. He could not say whether any had been taken away before the police gathered them up.
Two other things strike me as odd. Some contend that Dan may have taken his own life and that he purposefully acquired Anna’s methadone to kill himself. That flies in the face of logic when you consider that Dan suddenly questioned why he was feeling so tired. I understand that Howard was the one to make that statement, but it has never been clear as to what time of the night or early morning that Dan said that. Plus, at the time of his death, Dan swore he was clean.
Finally, the other thing that I find odd is that Howard supposedly left the hospital sometime after midnight to go get more food, according to one of the nurses on Anna ward. But he returned empty handed.
In hindsight, we were so overcome with grief and anger that we were willing to nail anyone against the wall. Despite my own personal beliefs, I’m glad that the inquest will ultimately happen and that we may finally get all those doubts and suspicions put away once and for good.
Posted at 7:35PM on Sep 29th 2007 by The Delusional Walk Among Us
The thing that sticks out to me is ..
As for the crushed methadone. This is what I was told by someone (I’ll call him Witness) who was there, in the hospital room, before the police had secured the area. And there was a good chunk of time before the room was cordoned off and evidence was taken away:
I thought tonight Ben Thompson told Craig they did not secure the room but maybe they did after they where gone out of the room..Who Knows.
Ron Rale...I’m still pondering the fax of the will with the wrong date....
I didn't see all the Geraldo program, but, hopefully, they will rerun it tomorrow and I'll watch it then. Mark Geragos comments were off the wall...if they're an indication of his intelligence, I believe I'd look elsewhere for an attorney to represent me!
I thought Ben Thompson said he was the only one there with Howard, Anna and the deceased Anna. Therefore, this information is from Ben Thompson through someone else who says the baby was created in vitro. If true, when Larry hired Opri to gain rights to his daughter, why didn’t Anna simply tell the world that she was impregnated by IVF? Why would Anna keep it a secret when the signed paper by Larry is proof? And what about the email Anna wrote to Laurie Payne about Larry gaining entry to her house in Jan 06? Though this poster has some interesting things to say and seems sincere, I still question some of her/his facts.
I have one advantage by not having cable or being able to watch videos on my computer, in that I have never seen the clown video other than the parts shown for the Seidlin circus, which were then shown on regular TV.
Reading different comments on Geraldo’s showing of it tonight, with this thing about “Mark” inserted in there - and reading what Howard *said* to Mark, who was apparently off-camera, I’ve just thought of something.
This took place around August 17-22, approx. - Ford said it was 2-3 weeks before Dannielynn was born.
At the time, Anna was stalling Ben and Ford about getting some money to start paying them for Horizons. She said she had a big payment coming in “soon”. There were people thinking it was Marshall money (ha!), but she evidently told Ford it was money from Trimspa.
She hadn’t done anything for them in many months and hadn’t worked or even appeared in public since her pregnancy was showing, since before May 2006. She may have had a contract with them, as LB pointed out, but she wasn’t the spokesperson anymore (new one was starting Feb 21) and I don’t know if she was getting royalties from her photo on the packaging or if she had just been paid once up-front for that - but she also had a problem with telling the truth, especially about money, so I’m going to discount that.
Is it possible that Howard wasn’t necessarily staying behind in L.A. to “work on the SCOTUS” case, but to work out that alleged 5-year $5 million contract with ET for ANS appearances? There was a lot said about it at the time Anna died, but not much since then.
He may have laid out a plan once she won the court case and became “bigger box office” than she had been in a long time. Problem was that she was preggers and still representing Trimspa.
So, she stays out of the public eye to build up the suspense and they plant the “who’s the baby daddy?” mystery to make her even more bankable - with the seeming “$500 million” bonus to top it off.
HKS promises a behind-the-scenes video blog of her pregnancy and various other “future lost footage,” lol, plus the birth of the baby, as another *ET/Insider exclusive.*
I don’t know when Anna supposedly introduced her “clothing line” (like other celebs, just putting their name on others’ designs and saying the celebs did it themselves), but I saw it on ET - and ANS couldn’t even stand up. She had on a little pink angora sweater and it was making her hot, so she took it off. Then, Anna tried to take the ET girl over to a rack of her clothes, just a few feet away, and she just collapsed on the floor.
They kept rolling tape and kept talking to her on the floor! So, they obviously were not picky about what kind of content ANS gave them on tape.
Then, after the birth video came Daniel’s death and “more photo ops” and then the commitment ceremony and on and on.
So, in the clown video, as maybe part of the “Anna Moves to The Bahamas” episode, don’t you think Howard was “talking” to Mark Steines as if he were there, but he wasn’t? IOW, for when he sent the tape to Steines and Mark was viewing it, HKS would be talking right to him. He knew it would be edited and new voiceover narration would be added, so the sound didn’t matter.
Unless we find out that there really was a person named Mark there on-scene, or if someone can clarify it for me further, that’s what I think - it was one of many tapes HKS was forwarding to ET for payment.
I have something to say about it, too - need to look up a few more things before I do, tho - and I’ve had a hand emergency tonight and need to take care of more problems, which don’t include typing, lol.
(Also wonder if the “white bottle with red stripes on it” was a First Aid - Red Cross symbol.)
I think Mark Geragos was soliciting business for himself, i.e., HKS. He was laughing while he was talking as though he knew it was preposterous. But then, if HKS is somehow brought up on charges in California, Geragos is famous for representing liars, such as Susan McDougal and Scott Peterson.
OMG!! I was thinking the same thing. You know he will have to throw himself into this mess but him and Howard deserve each other...
Sod, I agree with your estimate of Anna’s potential as a star. Looked at from this perspective, the Marshall money was her downfall.
“I still wonder if HK$ was smart enough to have devised a long term plan of *inheritance by death* - or if he had orders & help from people who want to control the Koch Industries empire. Such people would be familiar with law, medicine and moving money.”
Wouldn’t it be unbelievable if you turn out to be right about this? Who else does that Trope law firm represent? Was HKS given this case?
I’m not really sure what Monroe was thinking when he made his statement re: pills. Perhaps he was parroting what his client HKS told him?????
here’s an interesting, but very sad story:
“At this time, some five weeks after Daniel’s death, the toxicology report has also not yet been completed.
Meanwhile, a local funeral home owner has reportedly expressed concern over the mental state of Ms Smith.
Loretta Butler-Turner, director of Butler’s Funeral Home and Crematorium, reportedly told US media that she was shocked by Ms Smith’s behaviour as she laid her son to rest.
Mrs Butler-Turner was quoted as saying of the former Playmate: “I think reality truly has not set in and she wanted to know if she could take him home and give him a warm bath.”
By KARIN HERIG Tribune Staff Reporter
http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=9328
Nah, Geragos won’t take the case. He knows HKS doesn’t pay his bills. lol Goodnight.
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