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Sources: Goodell determines Pats broke rules by taping Jets' signals
ESPN ^ | 9-11-2007 | Chris Mortensen

Posted on 09/11/2007 4:12:17 PM PDT by jmc813

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, according to league sources.

NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion.

Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents.

The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said on Tuesday that no official decision has been made and that the club has not been notified.

The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.

Goodell is expected to have a decision no later than Friday but that is not set in stone.


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To: LetsRok
Belechik is a known cheater. He has his players fake injuries that become mysteriously healed at gametime (Randy Moss).

Bad example. That rule is there purely for betting purposes. You've seen a guy labelled as "out", who shows up at the game? Or just a boatload of "probables", and the occassional "doubtful"?

41 posted on 09/11/2007 4:52:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: rawhide
I wonder how all the bets would go down if they forfeit this past game?

I've been wondering the same exact thing. As much as I love the Jets with all of my heart, I bet with my brain, and a Pat's loss/not covering the spread will cost me money. Frankly, I really don't care at this point though.

42 posted on 09/11/2007 4:54:16 PM PDT by jmc813
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To: LetsRok
How is that “cheating”? The guy sat out the entire training camp, what? To fool the loser Jets? LOL
The Patriots don’t need to cheat to beat this team, thats why this is ridiculous. The Pats should be punished for openly breaking the rules and also for being so stupid.
43 posted on 09/11/2007 4:54:43 PM PDT by scott says
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To: scott says
The Patriots don’t need to cheat to beat this team

Then why did they?

44 posted on 09/11/2007 4:57:42 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: Bronzewound

ping as pats fan for later humor...:)


45 posted on 09/11/2007 5:05:07 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: jmc813
I never did believe that the Patriots were real champions.... now we known how they managed to WIN:-()
46 posted on 09/11/2007 5:05:18 PM PDT by geo40xyz ((Born a democRAT, Dad set me free in 1952: He said that I was not required to be a MF'ing democRAT))
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To: Bender2

LOL, I wish he had married Bridget.


47 posted on 09/11/2007 5:05:18 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Bronzewound
Every team tries to steal the other teams signals...for the Patriots to videotape the signals is against the rules. I have no idea why they would feel the need to do that, it is just plain stupid and should be punished.
I’m not sure if they were checking the tape as the game was in progress to make adjustments or saving them for next time, either way its just plain dumb.
It shows poor sportsmanship and should not be tolerated and against a team like the Jets is just not necessary....save that trick for the Colts or Chargers s/
48 posted on 09/11/2007 5:07:46 PM PDT by scott says
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To: rlmorel
ping as pats fan for later humor...:)

Don't misunderstand. I'm not a Patriots detractor, and that wasn't a jab. But don't you thinks it's an interesting question?

49 posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:13 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: rlmorel
ping as pats fan for later humor...:)

Don't misunderstand. I'm not a Patriots detractor, and that wasn't a jab. But don't you thinks it's an interesting question?

50 posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:16 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: jmc813

Just as dumb as bugging the McGovern election HQ’s at the Watergate. Why bother.


51 posted on 09/11/2007 5:20:39 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: jmc813

I’m a little confused by what the infraction is. While the article doesn’t say it, I presume this occured during Sunday’s game. But the game was televised so any defensive signals could have been televised as well. How exactly is videotaping a televised game an infraction of the rules? Are these signals aural or signals like in baseball? In anyone can clairify I would appreciate it.


52 posted on 09/11/2007 5:33:32 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: scott says
Videotaping the signals is much more advantageous than trying to figure them out realtime.

Say the jets are in a nickle package and the safety blitzes --- the person doing the filming has all 2,3 or 4 sets of signals sent in... now the same package is on the field and one set of signals is the same and the safety comes on the blitz. --- now they know WHICH person is sending in the real signals, and more importantly what the signal for a safety Blitz is. The Cameraman then sees that same signal again -- he quickly radios the coach or maybe even he is on the frequency to brady -- Brady immediately checks to a quick slant into the Safety's coverage area. Complete pass, long gain or touchdown.

53 posted on 09/11/2007 5:35:05 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
Say the jets are in a nickle package and the safety blitzes --- the person doing the filming has all 2,3 or 4 sets of signals sent in... now the same package is on the field and one set of signals is the same and the safety comes on the blitz. --- now they know WHICH person is sending in the real signals, and more importantly what the signal for a safety Blitz is. The Cameraman then sees that same signal again -- he quickly radios the coach or maybe even he is on the frequency to brady -- Brady immediately checks to a quick slant into the Safety's coverage area. Complete pass, long gain or touchdown.

Good explanation, commish.

54 posted on 09/11/2007 5:37:39 PM PDT by jmc813
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To: ops33

The TV feed only catches the signals every now and then — the patriots had a cameraman on the sideline with his camera directed right at the Jets Signal callers. he was also most likely in direct ommunication with the Coach or coordinators, and was tipping them to the defence or blitz package etc -— if they were successful at that, it could lead to many big gains, blitz pickups, etc etc


55 posted on 09/11/2007 5:37:51 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: ops33
I’m a little confused by what the infraction is.

I believe in today's digital world, that signals captured via a zoom lens on a video camera could be instantly transmitted to the coaches calling plays in the booth. It could give quite an advantage.

56 posted on 09/11/2007 5:38:56 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: ops33

It’s illegal for teams to use electronic means to record from the coaches box, the sidelines, or (one other place - the locker-room, I think). Apparently one can use Polaroids, or do it from a place other than one of the three proscribed locations, or with personnel not employed by the teams.

I know a couple of years ago there was an issue with one team apparently having gotten film of signals from one of the broadcasters - including footage not broadcast.


57 posted on 09/11/2007 5:40:35 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: commish

Yeah I understand that....I think its a garbage thing to do and the Pats shold be punished, no argument from me.


58 posted on 09/11/2007 5:44:26 PM PDT by scott says
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To: My Favorite Headache
I think there's no way the NFL would have them forfeit a game over this. I'm no fan of the Patriots, but why the heck would this be against the rules anyway? When the coach uses signals to send in a play from the sideline, he's doing it within plain sight of about 80,000 people in the stadium!
59 posted on 09/11/2007 5:44:32 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: commish

Thank you


60 posted on 09/11/2007 5:48:49 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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