Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation

[mom4kittys]

Thread Number Two

Thread Number One

[stlnative]

oops my question was stupid... Dilaudid is a pain killer not a sedative. I recall the wrappers they found in the room were from a suppository style baby sedative so I am assuming they were chloral hydrate suppositories.

[TexKat]

They were suppose to be buying the ring when they were in Florida the week ANS died, Feb 5th through the 8/9th.

Did they ever buy it?

I have yet to read or hear that the ring was ever purchased.

[Sacajaweau]

A heart beating at 70 beats per minute would drive the fluid at a certain rate.

Kinda like turning on the garden hose and waiting for it to FILL and get to the nozzle. Turn it off (kill the pumping action) before it gets there and no water at the nozzle. Simple hydaulics but I've forgotten the formulas. It's been 20 years.

[onyx]

I've had the same exact thought. Great minds think alike.

:0)

It's for that very reason, I have been wanting to see photos to check to see if she's had haircuts, knowing that signs of drug use can be detected in hair.

I think the rightful father might want to know if his baby was born drug addicted so that she can be monitored for signs of any disabilites and such.

[Arizona Carolyn]

If that is the case, those people are idiots if they gave an injection and didn't notice she was dead.

[mom4kittys]

You nailed it. I was trying to find a way to express what I meant and all I could think of was circulate. So that means it would just "sit" at a certain area and the doctor could probably determine from that right?

[Arizona Carolyn]

If she had a 105 temp, as HKS indicated, and was covered, it's possible she was still warm because temp would drop about 1 to 1.5 degrees per hour.

[PeskyOne]

I agree the phony prince just likes attention. I hope Larry is the father; however, I have wondered about G. Ben Thompson's interest in ANS, and why his daughter and son-in-law made it a point to go to the Bahamas when Dannilynn was born. Did they go because of friendship with ANS, or did they go to check out any resemblance the baby might have to Thompson?

[mom4kittys]

I meant that the drug may not have had time to move much and she died quickly after not giving it a chance to circulate. I have no idea if this is how it works, just a thought.

[Sacajaweau]

I'm not sure how far the drug would get in two minutes but there was some Pumping by the heart so she was still alive when the injection was given.

[tabor]

Don't know. He did seem to suffer from upset stomach quite a lot. Don't know if he had something contagious or not, or exactly when Dr. K saw him, but you're right in that it sounds she saw him just after she herself got back. Not knowing how fast methadone gets into the system or metabolizes, I'm not going to make guesses. All logic points to him taking the methadone in that hospital room, and not before.

[onyx]

I chalked them up for being star struck, but they sure went out of their way to help her.

I don't think we have photos of G. Ben as a baby. :0)

[tabor]

I know you can't. You don't have to:) I've kept repeating I need to see the entire video. Remember, too, that Ford said Anna was fine when he dropped his daughter off and she was fine when he picked her up. I'd like to know how long a time period that was. If I said what else I really have been thinking/wondering, you all would come down on me like a ton of bricks and I'll not subject myself to that here( and I'm talking only about the clown video). I WOULD feel free to mention it if I thought I'd be treated respectfully and fairly. I question EVERYTHING I come across in my life. If I have questions about something, no matter what it is, I will not make up my mind about that thing until I get my questions answered to my satisfaction. That's me:)

[mom4kittys]

Ok, go have sweet fuzzy dreams about the clown video and don't let it bother you at all.

[TexKat]

Sugar Pie,Allison Queal,Wes Irwin 240 x 240 - 15k - jpg www.amazon.co.uk

http://images.google.com/images?q=Wes%20Irwin&hl=en&sa=N&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=wi

Is the Wes Irwin mentioned here the Dr. Death's Wes Irwin that sent the 4 wire transfers?

[stlnative]

the drug in question was Demerol and it was injected at a dose 75mg (normal dose for an adult is 50mg to 100mg) - so the dose she got was middle of the road.

It is injected into a large muscle. Perper must have found an injection site (pin prick hole) and he would do a test on the tissues and muscle in that area. More than likely the Demerol stayed in the muscle where it was injected due to her dying shortly after it was given to her - A biopsy of that area will tell him the dose amount of the injection and he could probably see how far it had spread into the muscle. If she would have stayed alive I don't know what the period of time is for it to spread out into the full muscle and blood stream but it probably takes about 15+ minutes to fully spread out in someone who is alive during that full 15 minutes. - Imagine injecting a orange with some food dye with a syringe. The dye would slowly bleed out into the orange cavity if you let it sit still but if you moved the orange around after you injected it would spread out faster through the cavity of the orange. So Perper probably knows through CSI type work how fast Demerol would spread out in someone who was alive and did not die before the Demerol wore off. But is someone dies within 2 minutes the Demerol may only spread out 6" into the muscle (for example - for every 1 minute let's say it spreads out 3 inches more into the muscle - 2 minutes 6" - 3 minutes 9" - 4 minutes 12" - etc)

[Sacajaweau]

I took hydraulics in College. You got the idea!! I'll give you an "A".

Try this: A sump pump. It's not working and you have a pool in the basement. Add a bucket of DYED water, and you can visibly see it one area because nothing is moving. If the pump turns on it will start to intermix but still be generally located where it was dumped in.

Using dyes is common in Engineering and it is often used to see if someone is "dumping" into a water source.

[stlnative]

You are kinda behind woman :-) - yes that is Kris E's hubby - he was on the show with Kris E.

[Rte66]

Yes

[Sacajaweau]

Must be...He was some producer I think. So did Howard/KE launder though him, too. Whose name was on the account??