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1 posted on 10/30/2006 3:10:18 PM PST by dcnd9
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A sexual orientation is inherited; you are wired that way.

Prove it.

2 posted on 10/30/2006 3:12:31 PM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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so it is a birth defect...or a non beneficial mutation which by Darwinian beliefs should either make the species extinct or the the non benificial mutation should bread itself out.
3 posted on 10/30/2006 3:13:56 PM PST by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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A sexual orientation is inherited; you are wired that way.

Hmmm...well based on that very scientific explanation, he's got me convinced.

At the risk of asking the obvious, exactly what does he mean by "wired"? Is he talking about genetics? If he is, he might want to brush up on his facts before he spouts anymore nonsense.

4 posted on 10/30/2006 3:13:59 PM PST by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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"A sexual orientation is inherited; you are wired that way."

And the scientific evidence to back this up is...? Shame on this "doctor." He is confusing PC lore with medical science.

If sexual orientation was "inherited," it would eventually have passed out of the human race because of lack of progeny.

While I agree that homosexuality is not a "choice" in the conscious sense, neither is it genetic. Rather, it arises from an urgent need for closeness with the same sex, perhaps from a lack of an emotional bond with the father. This drive simply becomes sexualized in adolescence.


5 posted on 10/30/2006 3:14:53 PM PST by Elpasser
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Scary....How about the ex-gays and gays who "hate" ex-gays?

oh, and what about the millions of people who are so terrified of their homosexual feelings that they become absolutely "homophobic" in their efforts to insulate themselves from their true feelings....................................................................................
6 posted on 10/30/2006 3:16:54 PM PST by WhiteGuy (DeWine ranked as one of the ten worst border security politicians - Human Events)
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To: dcnd9

Total BS...


7 posted on 10/30/2006 3:17:10 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: dcnd9

seek a second opinion.


8 posted on 10/30/2006 3:20:22 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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I think there is a tiny minority of born homosexuals but for the most part it's learned behavior.

Back when I was in school in the late 70s and early 80s was when they started trying to teach it. They told us that all "normal" boys have occasional homosexual thoughts and feelings. Basically they told vulnerable 12 and 13 year old kids that they weren't normal if they didn't have homosexual thoughts and what kid doesn't want to be normal?

I was lucky to be among the earliest attempts at socially engineered homosexuality and it didn't take. I assume they have refined their methods and have become a lot more successful.


10 posted on 10/30/2006 3:20:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: dcnd9

So attraction to little kids and animals must also be "wired in".


13 posted on 10/30/2006 3:25:55 PM PST by nativist (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting, but never hit soft.)
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ALL BEHAVIORS can be learned, or unlearned...

If not, the Dr. Phil and EVERY PSYCHOLOGIST ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET NEEDS TO STOP NOW! If behaviors are not modifiable, and if behaviors are "hard-wired" then the entire pscyhological profession is a FRAUD! (and it is, but that's a different subject for a different day!)

14 posted on 10/30/2006 3:26:50 PM PST by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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"A sexual orientation is inherited; you are wired that way"

And all the scientific research debunks the "gay gene" theory. No such gene exists.

This is gay's way of rationalizing their deviant, disgusting and immoral behavior. "I can't help it that I'm a queer, it's in my DNA."
27 posted on 10/30/2006 3:38:12 PM PST by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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Dr. Phil has no evidence to support his position:

Science and Homosexuality

The Study The Media Ignored
How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
The Importance of Twin Studies
The Gay Gene?
The Fading "Gay Gene"
The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science
The Gay Gene: Going, Going...Gone


32 posted on 10/30/2006 3:43:56 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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Ex-Gay links

APA Has No Disagreement With the Treatment of Unwanted Homosexual Attraction
I Do Exist
People Can Change
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences
Factors Contributing to the Development of Their Homosexual Feelings
Homosexuality and the possibility of change
Latest Scientific Research: Those Struggling with Homosexuality Can Be Set Free


33 posted on 10/30/2006 3:45:27 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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35 posted on 10/30/2006 3:45:57 PM PST by traditional1
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Read Dr. Throckmorton (an expert in the field) on Dr. Phil (definitely a lightweight): Dr. Phil Weighs In on Sexual Orientation
36 posted on 10/30/2006 3:49:00 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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House of Hatred? Is this in connection with Halloween?


45 posted on 10/30/2006 4:01:16 PM PST by little jeremiah
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Another "they're born that way" piece of nonsense. I am very thankful I do not have a TV so I have never seen this fool in action.

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Later I'll try to post some links to articles about the actual causes of homosexuality. And it ain't because people are "wired that way".

52 posted on 10/30/2006 4:05:51 PM PST by little jeremiah
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…PROTECT MARRIAGE !... Your children deserve it as wholesome as possible…

You saw what happened in NEW JERSEY!... Don't let it happen in your state! Colorado, Virginia, Tennessee, Arizona, Iowa, Wisconsin, South Dakota and South Carolina see details below how to vote on all 8 states - links to each state’s election boards - etc)

Why gays hate marriage - By Kevin McCullough - Sunday, October 29, 2006 -- [ excerpt ] --

Despite of all that their angry-mob front groups argue for in front of television cameras to the contrary, radical homosexual activists despise the institution and more importantly the sanctity of marriage. That is also the fundamental reason why they are seeking to destroy the institution.

This week - dateline Trenton New Jersey... where a unified panel of seven judges agreed that illegitimate sexual unions should be made equitable under law to that of monogamous married persons. Without the consent of the governed these tyrants in black robes sat in judgment of healthy families across the universe and demanded that New Jersey residents accept immoral construction of sexual unions as the equal basis for families and family life in their recreated sexual, liberal, utopia.

With utter contempt for God, and for the voters of their state the New Jersey seven unanimously said that all who live in the confines of its borders must fundamentally agree to the moral premise, that what the Bible terms perversion, the voters should call healthy.

But why? What's the real goal of the activists, the judges, and the radicals who seek to subvert a moral world view? The answer is simple, no longer satisfied with practicing the unspeakable perverse sexual pleasures that their hearts seek in private bedrooms, they wish to be able to do so in public. They are also suffering from such immense guilt over the actions of their sexual behaviors because they know inherently that the actions they perform are in fact unhealthy - that they will go to any means necessary to try and shut down the voices in their heads that tell them it is wrong….

Eight states are voting on amendments to their Constitutions. All of them seek to protect marriage essentially the same way as Arizona's amendment describes it below


...The Protect Marriage Arizona amendment will preserve the definition of marriage as “a union between one man and one woman” and prohibit the creation of any other legal status similar to that of marriage. It will assure that marriage is defined by the voice of the people and not by a few activist judges.
I am hearing rumors that the homosexual agenda research institute (kidding!), as most lefty organizations... resort to lies or disinformation To confuse the voters purposely, on how to vote on the ANTI-GAY-MARRIAGE amendments in the different states. So, I did the research for every of the eight states voting on amendments to their constitutions preserving the definition of marriage as “a union between one man and one woman.”

All of the eight states define the amendment (change/addition to the state's Constitution) essentially the same way. Arizona defines the amendment this way:

All states handle this by having the voters vote on once, except for COLORADO that requires voting on twice: one amendment and one Referendum.

-- Public Announcement from EP -- :)


* VIRGINIA Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for VIRGINIA at the bottom)

* WISCONSIN Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for WISCONSIN at the bottom)

* TENNESSEE Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for TENNESSEE at the bottom)

* ARIZONA Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for ARIZONA at the bottom)

* SOUTH DAKOTA Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for SOUTH DAKOTA at the bottom)

* SOUTH CAROLINA Vote "YES" (to add amendment) (see links for SOUTH CAROLINA at the bottom)

* IOWA The only state I could not find the information.. what a mess.. even the Servers were so slow. Drove me crazy!... Found the documents but seems like they did not include the amendment….speaks poorly of that state to me)

* COLORADO

****** On Amendment 43 (Marriage)> Vote "YES" (to add amendment)

****** On Referendum I: Vote "Do not approve" or "NO" (To reject it,depending on how the question is phrased. Don't trust homosexual groups - they lie and confuse issues - this should be looked more carefully since it can be approved later anyway.

(Colorado is more complicated. It has 2 items: Adding Amendment 43 (Vote "YES) and approving Referenum I (Vote NO or Do NOT approve). See COLORADO at bottom for details)


* VIRGINIA *

Virginia State Board of Elections

Virginia: The amendment - Ballot question # 1 (page 3)

1 FINAL COPY Proposed Constitutional Amendment To Be Voted on at the November 7, 2006, Election PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT Article I. Bill of Rights. Section 15-A. Marriage. BALLOT QUESTION NUMBER 1

Excerpt -------------------------

EXPLANATION Present Law The Constitution does not define marriage. Under current statutory law in Virginia, persons who marry must have a license and be married by a licensed minister, judge, or other person authorized by law to perform marriages. Present law prohibits marriages between certain individuals. For example, the law prohibits a marriage between a brother and sister, between a couple where one of the parties is married to someone else, and between couples of the same sex. In 1975, the General Assembly enacted a statute (present Code of Virginia § 20- 45.2) that states "A marriage between persons of the same sex is prohibited." In 1997, the General Assembly added a sentence to § 20-45.2 that states that: 2 Any marriage entered into by persons of the same sex in another state or jurisdiction shall be void in all respects in Virginia and any contractual rights created by such marriage shall be void and unenforceable. In 2004, the General Assembly passed a law to prohibit certain civil unions or other arrangements between persons of the same sex. That law (Code of Virginia § 20- 45.3) states that: A civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage is prohibited. Any such civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement entered into by persons of the same sex in another state or jurisdiction shall be void in all respects in Virginia and any contractual rights created thereby shall be void and unenforceable.

Thus, civil unions or other arrangements which purport ?to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage? are prohibited by statute.

Proposed Amendment If approved by the voters, this proposed amendment will become part of the Constitution of Virginia. The proposed amendment adds a definition of marriage as the ?union between one man and one woman? to the Constitution's Bill of Rights and prohibits Virginia and its counties, cities, and towns from creating or recognizing any legal status by any name which is comparable to marriage. Marriage in the Commonwealth creates specific legal rights, benefits, and obligations for a man and a woman. There are other legal rights, benefits, and obligations which will continue to be available to unmarried persons, including the naming of an agent to make end-of-life decisions by an Advance Medical Directive (Code of Virginia § 54.1-2981), protections afforded under Domestic Violence laws (Code of Virginia § 18.2- 57.2), ownership of real property as joint tenants with or without a right of survivorship (Code of Virginia § 55-20.1), or disposition of property by will (Code of Virginia § 64.1- 46).

A "yes" vote on the proposed amendment will result in the addition of the proposed Section 15-A to Article I, the Bill of Rights. A "no" vote will mean that there will be no change made in Article I, the Bill of Rights."


* WISCONSIN *

Winsconsin State Elections Board website

Winsconsin:November 2006 Referenda Questions

Winsconsin:See the actual document (the amendment)


* COLORADO *

Colorado Secretary of State – Elections Center

Colorado:Amendments and Referendums

[1] Colorado: Amendment 43 (Marriage)

[2] Referendum I: Referendum I Referendum I Colorado Legislative Council Staff FISCAL IMPACT STATEMENT Date: August 31, 2006 Fiscal Analyst: Janis Baron — 303-866-3523 BALLOT TITLE: SHALL THERE BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE COLORADO REVISED STATUTES TO AUTHORIZE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS, and, in connection therewith, enacting the "colorado domestic partnership benefits and responsibilities act" to extend to same-sex couples in a domestic partnership the benefits, protections, and responsibilities that are granted by colorado law to spouses.....

Summary of Legislation

Upon voter approval, Referendum I establishes legal domestic partnerships in the state of Colorado. Additionally, it specifies eligibility requirements, definitions, procedures, rights, responsibilities, and means for terminating domestic partnerships. The fiscal note cannot accurately project the number of domestic partnerships that would be entered into in Colorado should Referendum I be adopted. For purposes of this analysis, the fiscal note assumes 3,500 annually.


* TENNESSEE *

Tennessee Division of Elections

Tennessee Constitutional Amendment # 1 (Marriage - Page 3)

Constitutional Amendment #1 (Page 3)

Shall Article XI of the Constitution of the State of Tennessee be amended by adding the following language as a new, appropriately designated section: SECTION___. The historical institution and legal contract solemnizing the relationship of one man and one woman shall be the only legally recognized marital contract in this state. Any policy or law or judicial interpretation, purporting to define marriage as anything other than the historical institution and legal contract between one man and one woman, is contrary to the public policy of this state and shall be void and unenforceable in Tennessee. If another state or foreign jurisdiction issues a license for persons to marry and if such marriage is prohibited in this state by the provisions of this section, then the marriage shall be void and unenforceable in this state.


* ARIZONA *

Arizona Secretary of State - 2006 Ballot Propositions and Judicial...

Arizona Proposition 107: Proposing an amendment to the constitution of arizona; amending the constitution of arizona; by adding article xxx; relating to the protection of marriage...

OFFICIAL TITLE AN INITIATIVE MEASURE

proposing an amendment to the constitution of arizona; amending the constitution of arizona; by adding article xxx; relating to the protection of marriage

~[snip]~

The Protect Marriage Arizona amendment will preserve the definition of marriage as “a union between one man and one woman” and prohibit the creation of any other legal status similar to that of marriage. It will assure that marriage is defined by the voice of the people and not by a few activist judges.

A “yes” vote will protect Arizona from having marriage radically changed to a union of any two people regardless of gender. It will affirm that both mothers and fathers play significant roles in the raising of children and that the legal union between a man and a woman deserves special status in producing the next generation of responsible citizens.

A “yes” vote will not prohibit same-sex couples or anyone else from forming relationships. It will, however, keep schools, media, organizations, religious denominations, and other societal institutions from being forced to validate, and promote same-sex “marriage”.

A “yes” vote will not invalidate anyone’s civil rights. Marriage is about bringing men and women together, not about civil rights.

A “yes” vote will not restrict private companies from voluntarily granting benefits to domestic partners, nor will it prevent domestic relationships from taking advantage of existing laws that enable these individuals to share health insurance or death benefits, designate hospital visitation rights, or grant medical durable power of attorney to anyone.

A “yes” vote will affirm that marriage between a man and a woman is the foundation of a strong family and that strong families are the foundation of great nations.

~[snip]~

ARGUMENTS “FOR” PROPOSITION 107 Protect Marriage Arizona’s Statement Protect Marriage Arizona has been formed as a grassroots response to attacks on marriage in state after state. We say, “Let the people decide.” We believe Arizona citizens should be given the opportunity to vote on our state’s marriage policy, and we are confident that Arizona will join 20 other states that have voted to reaffirm the reality that marriage is the union of one man and one woman. A state constitutional amendment provides the strongest possible legal protection for marriage against redefinition by activist state court judges. We also hope to show our national leaders that states want the opportunity to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution protecting marriage. Marriage between a man and woman is the basic building block of society. As the Supreme Court put it, in a case upholding laws that prevented marriage from being redefined to include polygamy, “marriage is the sure foundation of all that is stable and noble in our civilization.” Arizona promotes and benefits marriage because marriage between a man and a woman benefits Arizona. Children do best when they have the security of living with a married mother and father. With all the challenges to marriage in society today, the last thing Arizona needs is to redefine marriage in a way that guarantees some children will never have either a mom or a dad. Unfortunately, today’s courts seem bent on destroying that foundation. It’s time for the people to respond by voting ‘yes’ on the Protect Marriage Amendment. The Protect Marriage Arizona amendment does exactly what it is entitled to do, that is, protect the definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. NAME, the National Association of Marriage Enhancement, encourages Arizonans to vote “Yes” on this amendment to protect, for future generations, the long-standing definition of marriage as one man and one woman. The traditional definition of marriage must be protected. Some would say marriage is a right; it is not -- it is a privilege that carries responsibilities. Society confers legal benefits to marriage, because marriage benefits society. Historically, healthy marriages have been foundational building blocks to any successful society -- Arizona included. This amendment to Arizona's constitution will affirm marriage’s traditional definition, ensuring it for future generations by prohibiting its redefinition by activist judges and others. Research indicates many benefits for children who are raised by a mother and father, including: they are more likely to succeed academically, are physically healthier, emotionally healthier, demonstrate less


* SOUTH DAKOTA *

South Dakota: 2006 Ballot Question Pamphlet Compiled by the Office of Secretary of State Chris Nelson

South Dakota: Constitutional Amendment C would amend the State Constitution to allow and recognize marriage only between a man and a woman. 2006 Ballot Question Pamphlet Compiled by the Office of Secretary of State Chris Nelson Constitutional Amendment C Title: An Amendment to Article XXI of the South Dakota Constitution, relating to marriage. Attorney General Explanation South Dakota statutes currently limit marriage to unions between a man and a woman. However, the State Constitution does not address marriage. Amendment C would amend the State Constitution to allow and recognize marriage only between a man and a woman. It would also prohibit the Legislature from allowing or recognizing civil unions, domestic partnerships or other quasi-marital relationships between two or more persons regardless of sex.

A vote “Yes” will change the Constitution.

A vote “No” will leave the Constitution as it is.


* SOUTH CAROLINA *

South Carolina State Elections Commission - Ballot Measures 2006

South Carolina: Constitutional Amendment 1 - Marriage

SUMMARY

This amendment provides that the institution of marriage in South Carolina consists only of the union between one man and one woman. No other domestic union is valid and legal. The State and its political subdivisions are prohibited from creating or recognizing any right or claim respecting any other domestic union, whatever it may be called, or from giving effect to any such right or benefit recognized in any other state or jurisdiction.

However, this amendment also makes clear it does not impair rights or benefits extended by this State, or its political subdivisions not arising from other domestic unions, nor does the amendment prohibit private parties from entering into contracts or other legal instruments. View Complete Text Information Provided by: South Carolina State Elections Commission

57 posted on 10/30/2006 4:12:25 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: dcnd9

I have always believed it is a learned behavior.


61 posted on 10/30/2006 4:33:54 PM PST by TAdams8591
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In a sense it is. Homosexuality is learned by schoolkids everyday in America. Remember, Heather has two mommies.


69 posted on 10/30/2006 4:48:35 PM PST by YourAdHere (Buy "Bradypalooza" at Amazon.Com.)
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