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HITLER AND STALIN POSSESSED BY DEVIL - POPE PIUS XII TRIED EXORCISM OF HITLER
DAILY MAIL ^ | 8/29/2006 | NICK PISA

Posted on 08/29/2006 12:14:51 PM PDT by Al Simmons

Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil, says Vatican exorcist

By NICK PISA Last updated at 17:32pm on 28th August 2006

Adolf Hitler and Russian leader Stalin were possessed by the Devil, the Vatican's chief exorcist has claimed.

Father Gabriele Amorth who is Pope Benedict XVI's 'caster out of demons' made his comments during an interview with Vatican Radio.

Father Amorth said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations.

"I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler - and Stalin did. Almost certainly they were possessed by the Devil.

"You can tell by their behaviour and their actions, from the horrors they committed and the atrocities that were committed on their orders. That's why we need to defend society from demons."

According to secret Vatican documents recently released wartime pontiff Pope Pius XII attempted a "long distance" exorcism of Hitler which failed to have any effect.

Father Amorth said: "It's very rare that praying and attempting to carry out an exorcism from distance works.

"Of course you can pray for someone from a distance but in this case it would not have any effect.

"One of the key requirements for an exorcism is to be present in front of the possessed person and that person also has to be consenting and willing.

"Therefore trying to carry out an exorcism on someone who is not present, or consenting and willing would prove very difficult.

"However I have no doubt that Hitler was possessed and so it does not surprise me that Pope Pius XII tried a long distance exorcism."

In the past Father Amorth has also spoken out against the Harry Potter books, claiming that reading the novels of the teen wizard open children's minds to dabbling with the occult and black magic.

Father Amorth, who is president of the International Association of Exorcists, said of the JK Rowling books:"Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil."

He said that Rowling's books contain innumerable positive references to magic, "the satanic art" and added the books attempt to make a false distinction between black and white magic, when in fact, the distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

Father Amorth is said to have carried out more than 30,000 exorcisms in his career and his favourite film is, according to Italian newspapers The Exorcist.


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KEYWORDS: communist; devil; evil; exorcist; hitler; insanity; murder; nazi; pope; possession; satan; stalin; vatican
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This can go under "tell me something I already know", but I thought that the info about the much-maligned Pope Pius XII made it worthy of note...
1 posted on 08/29/2006 12:14:55 PM PDT by Al Simmons
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To: Al Simmons

What possessed Chamberlain?


2 posted on 08/29/2006 12:17:24 PM PDT by untenured
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To: Al Simmons

Couldn't they just be bad people? Or are we blaming everything bad on the Devil and giving credit for all that is good to God?


3 posted on 08/29/2006 12:17:32 PM PDT by psychoknk
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To: Al Simmons; Admin Moderator
I personally think this is an important article...probably a prelude to Fr. Amorth declaring that islamic fundamentals are "possessed," but certain self-important folks (the FReeper equivalent of the ACLU) are gonna come around and try to get it bumped to "religion" or "chat."

I hope the mods leave it where it is.

4 posted on 08/29/2006 12:18:35 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Al Simmons

Alas, sometimes one needs superior military firepower to effectively terminate the Devil's goon squads.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 12:20:01 PM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: Al Simmons; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican
""Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations."

I think we now know what's responsible for liberal Democrats.

6 posted on 08/29/2006 12:20:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Al Simmons

He needs to exorcise alamnutjob and hillary next.


7 posted on 08/29/2006 12:20:43 PM PDT by winodog (Buchanan is the new Perot.)
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To: psychoknk
Couldn't they just be bad people? Or are we blaming everything bad on the Devil and giving credit for all that is good to God?

Bingo... and bingo.

8 posted on 08/29/2006 12:21:17 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Al Simmons
I was all gung-ho until we veered off again into the horrible, horrible threat posed by a children's' story that preaches that there is Good and there is Evil and you have to choose and fight Evil.

I have only this against the Catholic Church: why is it that an organization that cannot seem to root out pederasts from it's own midst seems so good at attacking the straw man that is Harry Potter?

9 posted on 08/29/2006 12:22:23 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Dark Skies
Does a man have to be possessed by the devil to be evil through and through? "The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time" (Genesis 6:5).

It seems to me to be an attempt at taking the culpability for sin away from the person and placing it on the devil.

10 posted on 08/29/2006 12:23:36 PM PDT by Porkandbeeny
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To: Al Simmons

So, let's see. The Devil possessed Hitler and Hitler possessed Joe Kennedy. The Devil possessed Stalin and Stalin possessed Lillian Hellman and her band of flying monkeys. It's all coming together.


11 posted on 08/29/2006 12:25:17 PM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: untenured
"What possessed Chamberlain?"

A couple of weavers comes to mind. You know, those peace clothes are not only awesomely beautiful, but also invisible to all the stupid people.
12 posted on 08/29/2006 12:26:19 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: Dark Skies
I hope the mods leave it where it is.

Nope, it has been exorcised from news and cast out into chat.

13 posted on 08/29/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (UN Security Council resolution 1701: I believe it is ceasefire for our time.)
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To: psychoknk
Couldn't they just be bad people?

Could be, but that's not the point.

If one presumes that "possession" is in fact possible, Fr Amorth suggestion of possession doesn't somehow shift the guilt off Hitler or Stalin...that's not how possession works. The Devil or a demon can't just possess a person...the person being possessed must consent. In fact, it is a contractual relationship and there is a quid pro quo.

Certain of Hitler's contemporaries thought he had tapped too deeply into the occult and that he seemed to become another person entirely at certain times (during the delivery of speeches for example). I don't know about Stalin, but of the biographies I have read of Hitler, he certainly seems to be the type that would cut a deal with the Devil if the opportunity arose.

14 posted on 08/29/2006 12:35:32 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: 50sDad
I was all gung-ho until we veered off again into the horrible, horrible threat posed by a children's' story that preaches that there is Good and there is Evil and you have to choose and fight Evil.

I have only this against the Catholic Church: why is it that an organization that cannot seem to root out pederasts from it's own midst seems so good at attacking the straw man that is Harry Potter?

I agree 100%! I was very impressed with the article until the Potter bashing. Geez Louise, the Catholics should clean up their own house before chasing windmills...


15 posted on 08/29/2006 12:36:21 PM PDT by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: Porkandbeeny

See comment #14.


16 posted on 08/29/2006 12:37:02 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: KarlInOhio

lol...didn't take long!


17 posted on 08/29/2006 12:37:55 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

I'm curious where you draw your explanation from. Is this something you can point to in Scripture? I really don't think it can be supported. If we're going to talk about spiritual matters, hadn't we better stick to the authority on spiritual matters (the Bible)?


18 posted on 08/29/2006 12:40:00 PM PDT by Porkandbeeny
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To: Porkandbeeny
There are a variety of excellent books on the subject of possession and exorcism which don't necessarily quote scripture but are instead the product of personal experiences of priest and psychiatrists who have performed or assisted in exorcisms.

On the other hand, the scriptures speak plainly if sparsely on the subject. Tell me which point specifically you are interested in and I will try to find scriptural references.

19 posted on 08/29/2006 12:46:35 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: BullDog108
You'd better get your Flame Suit on, as I have. For some reason, the simple statement I have made, that the Church needs to flat out fire ANYONE with any substantial history of mistreating the "little ones" and has largely failed to do so in favor of "moving them deckchairs around" so that the next Parrish knows nothing of the problem seems to be universally and magically transformed into "Catholic Hater!" (Which is often where the arguement sadly ends.)

Please, in advance, let me acknowledge and thank the Catholic branch of my faith for keeping the flame of Christianity alive throughout the Dark Ages, for keeping the written word alive (if somewhat sequestered), and for providing the needed ritual that some of His Children need to make their worship meaningful to them. All great things. Now, when can I expect the Pedophile Priests to get tossed out of the church and their records turned over to the police?

20 posted on 08/29/2006 12:47:30 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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