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Our Candy Ass Military
14 august 2006 | rider237

Posted on 08/09/2006 11:07:42 AM PDT by rider237

this weeks "navy times" came out. it had the usual articles in it. one very touching one about the last carrier operations of the f-14s. then.....


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To: ohioWfan

i did try to ignore you, but now you are just whining. if you read the post, you know that there was nothing derogatory directed at the general military. only at the pc leadership that will get your child, and my children killed.


221 posted on 08/09/2006 1:42:45 PM PDT by rider237
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To: rider237
My child is IN the military.

I'm not whining. I'm just calling you on your lousy title, and your inarticulate, semi-literate griping.

Make your point like an adult, and we can talk.

If you can't deal with the criticism after you post a garbled mess like this, you need to think twice about whether you have the courage to survive on this forum.

222 posted on 08/09/2006 1:46:26 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: rider237

btw, my son neither smokes nor drinks, and doesn't whine like you do either.....


223 posted on 08/09/2006 1:47:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: marmar

i think i know, without going back, which post you are referring to. no offense intended.

we give the af a bad time because other services see the af as having cushy living conditions, and never doing much to get dirty. i know this is not true of all af but you have to admit, most of the time you guys have it better than other service members.


224 posted on 08/09/2006 1:47:40 PM PDT by rider237
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To: ohioWfan

i see you can't read either. both my boys and my husband are in.

this isn't a game of who has more to lose. we all have a lot to lose if we dumb down our training.


225 posted on 08/09/2006 1:50:02 PM PDT by rider237
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To: rider237
if you read the post, you know that there was nothing derogatory directed at the general military. only at the pc leadership that will get your child, and my children killed.

BWAHAHAHA!

Is it the "crossing the quarter deck trying to act sober" that you think will make your "child" safer, or the "black eye from running into the bulkhead"? ;~)

226 posted on 08/09/2006 1:50:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Head On. Apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: ohioWfan

good for him....although, i wouldn't count on it. we don't always tell mommy what we are doing, do we?

i am surprised he doesn't whine, but i guess he got the stones from his daddy?


227 posted on 08/09/2006 1:52:03 PM PDT by rider237
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To: rider237
I can read.........even though you are possibly one of the worst writers on this forum.

And I never said I didn't agree with you about the PC leadership.

I just said that your title stinks, and you're a really bad writer.

At least make your insults accurate, newbie.

228 posted on 08/09/2006 1:52:17 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: rider237
Well, heavens........I should HOPE so.

I try to keep my testosterone level down as much as possible.

(You really are a jerk, you know?)

229 posted on 08/09/2006 1:53:29 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: rider237
it is a recognized style.

THIS IS A RECOGNIZED STYLE, TOO.

230 posted on 08/09/2006 1:53:49 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: rider237
When I enlisted....I had a choice, if I would have gone any other service I would have been an officer. I chose the AF and have never looked back. Yes, we have it made, but with 3 deployments as a medic, no one can take from me what impact I have had on my Warriors......and yes, they are all mine. I love them all equally, and yes, I have heard their stories, pc, sucks. But I have to keep going, because there is no other choice for me......
231 posted on 08/09/2006 1:57:11 PM PDT by marmar (Although, I may look different then you....my blood still runs....RED, WHITE, @ BLUE.)
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To: Rain-maker
When I went in they made us dump our smokes and lightersin basic, that was back in 87 when the new no smoke policy went into effect. They used to let the 18-21 year olds get tanked on post with that 3.2 pistol beer. What a waste that was. IMO drunks, dopers, and smokers can stay civilians...times are changing and we need all the edge we can get.

We usually got 1 smoke and coke a day as it was called in basic. That was if everything went right. On Sunday it was a bit more lax and this was in 1976. Letting 18 years olds get tanked on 3.2 beer on base makes perfect sense. It's on base. They walk back to the ships or barracks usually a mile or more. Better to have them where they are safe than in town drinking much stronger stuff in illicit clubs. Base clubs were safe. Few fights, no weapons, and the riff raft con artist were kept out.

Times aren't changing. These things have been with us for a few thousand years. I speak from experience of a MED Cruise and a half of transporting drunk sailors from shore back to ship in port on liberty boats. The problem is being greatly overblown. Maybe twice a night on a carrier {meaning 5000 plus} one squid would have way too much and be a problem. You put a life jacket on the out of control drunk and did the following. You took 2 wire mesh stretchers placed him in it and tied it shut. Instant jail cell. You tied life jackets to the stretcher also. You took him back to ship and in a week or so he went to see the Captain who placed him on restriction to the ship for 45 days PLUS a mandatory ride along with Shore Patrol a few off nights to deal with the drunks. Most didn't repeat the offense.

It was just good old fashioned common sense and a good sailor was not lost due to PC. Next time he learned when to cut it off.

232 posted on 08/09/2006 1:57:25 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: rider237
Nothing can keep down a good old urban legend, can it?
233 posted on 08/09/2006 1:59:33 PM PDT by mjwise
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To: rider237; Rain-maker
that's kind of a sad post. you think if someone drinks or smokes, they need not apply? perhaps we are recruiting in the wrong places. we ought to set up shop outside the theology schools. maybe we could just have big old debates instead of war? oh wait, that's what the un is for....that didn't work well, did it? i guess if you reduce stress enough by not training hard, or giving "time out" cards, or not YELLING at the poor kids, then no stress relief is needed?

You were a HM1? Well you saw the basket cases then. Likely compared to the ship population a very small number. For those who don't know what HM means it means Hospital Corpsman IIRC. He would be the among the first to deal with the severe drunk upon arrival back at the ship.

234 posted on 08/09/2006 2:02:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: mjwise

ya, i know....

last time i trained with the marines, which was mid 90's, they sent a training officer out with us. do you know why? not to evaluate our training. it was to make sure that the trainers were not "abusing" us. abuse was either physical, verbal, or mental. they could not touch us, yell at us, or call us names. if we had a problem, we could go talk to the officer.

there was a training evolution that i vividly remember. i was out on the course and stuck my head up to see where i was going. as i did it, the gunnys big boot landed on my helmet. he spent the next 10 minutes mashing my head into the ground as he explained to everyone how this $##*%%#@ idiot had just cost herself and everyone around her, their lives. that lesson i never forgot, and neither did those around me.

i guess he could have politely pointed out my mistake, but i doubt it would have had the same impact.


235 posted on 08/09/2006 2:09:46 PM PDT by rider237
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To: cva66snipe

i did see some nuts when i did hospital training, but i went with the Marines and had a much better time! not that i didn't see some nuts there......


236 posted on 08/09/2006 2:11:46 PM PDT by rider237
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To: cva66snipe
Studies already proved that smoking and drinking is a major problem and an increasing liability for the military.

I suggest you write the DOD that 18-21 years olds should have a right to chemically altered realities. Then post the response at Free Republic.


Smoking, Drinking On Rise In Military
Associated Press
March 9, 2004,

WASHINGTON - Cigarette smoking and heavy drinking are on the rise in the military, particularly among younger troops, and many in the armed forces report feeling stress in their work, a Pentagon health survey says.

Drug use, however, is holding steady far below the rate for civilians.

The survey identified what Pentagon officials called a sizable group of military members who are having problems with stress and mental health without necessarily seeking help. Almost half of the respondents said seeking mental health counseling probably or definitely would damage their careers.

The results released Monday are from a survey conducted in the fall of 2002, just before tens of thousands of troops deployed to the Persian Gulf in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.

Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, told a Pentagon news conference that survey data was as yet unavailable to measure mental health conditions among the 120,000 or so American soldiers who spent the past 12 months at war in .

The Army has studied suicides, which rose sharply last July, as the toll on American troops rose from the insurgency, but later fell to levels similar to peacetime averages. It found that many suicides were associated with failures of personal relationships and financial problems.

Of the 12,756 troops who responded to the Pentagon's 2002 survey, conducted at 30 military installations worldwide, about one-third said they felt a lot of stress in their military duties. An additional 30 percent said they felt some stress.

The most frequently cited sources of stress for men were deployment (18.9 percent) and separation from family (18.7 percent); the women cited changes in personal life (21.4 percent), separation from family (21.2 percent) and deployment (19.6 percent). Injuries, illness and workplace accidents were twice as common among those who described themselves as stressed.

The survey found that 5 percent of all who participated said they had considered suicide or self-injury within the year prior to the survey, and it found that heavy users of alcohol had more problems with workplace stress than abstainers, by a margin of 40 percent to 30 percent.

In specific findings:

-The share of military members categorized as heavy drinkers (having five or more drinks on a single occasion at least once a week) rose to 18.1 percent from 15.4 percent in the previous survey in 1998. When the survey was first done in 1980 that figure was about 21 percent.

-Military personnel aged 18 to 25 showed significantly higher rates of heavy drinking (27.3%) than civilians (15.3%).

-Cigarette smoking rose from 30 percent in the 1998 survey to 34 percent in the latest survey. This was the first increase recorded in the seven times military members have been questioned on this since 1980. In that first survey 51 percent were smokers. In the civilian U.S. population, about 31 percent are smokers today, according to figures provided by the Pentagon.

About 30 percent said they had taken up smoking since joining the military. Last fall military medical authorities said they found in investigating 19 cases of severe pneumonia among soldiers in and around Iraq that most had taken up smoking shortly before falling ill.

-The percentage who reported use of illicit drugs was 3.4 percent, up from 2.7 percent in 1998 but not a statistically significant change, according to Robert M. Bray of RTI International, which conducted the survey under contract to the Pentagon. He said the 3.4 percent for the military compares with about 12 percent for the civilian population of the United States.

-Forty-one percent of women said they were under a great deal or a fairly large amount of stress stemming from being a woman in the military. Women in the Navy had the highest rate (49 percent), followed by women in the Army (46 percent), Marine Corps (44 percent) and Air Force (31 percent).

In measuring overall job satisfaction, 65 percent indicated they were either satisfied or very satisfied with their current assignment. Satisfaction was highest in the Air Force (72 percent) and lowest in the Army (61 percent). Males and females indicated similar levels of satisfaction.

Survey results in full: http://www.tricare.osd.mil/main/news/art0514.html

237 posted on 08/09/2006 2:13:57 PM PDT by Rain-maker
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To: rider237
If you were to smoke,drink,or curse in George Washington's military he would have you shot.
238 posted on 08/09/2006 2:17:38 PM PDT by theworkersarefew (pence08.com)
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To: Rain-maker

thanks, you kind of made my point for me.

we are at war. that's pretty stressful for all of us. stress relief behavior goes up.

the first drug test i remember was in 1980....maybe that's why drinking went up after? :-)


239 posted on 08/09/2006 2:19:14 PM PDT by rider237
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To: theworkersarefew; All

without a good fog bank, GW probably would have lost the war. maybe a bit if swearing was called for?

nite all. thanks for the fun!


240 posted on 08/09/2006 2:21:24 PM PDT by rider237
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