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10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)
Evangelical Outpost ^ | 08/03/2006 | Joe Carter

Posted on 08/03/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
he actually concluded that evolution must be false, and his reasoning was that he was too stupid to understand it

That is funny (LOL) but I really do try to avoid words like "stupid" on these threads.

But since I didn't say it I get to laugh.

241 posted on 08/03/2006 7:32:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: metmom

Debating over the 'definition' of *universe* still doesn't answer the question of whether or not it could have created itself.

Do you see the irony?

242 posted on 08/03/2006 7:33:00 PM PDT by ml1954 (ID = Case closed....no further inquiry allowed...now move along.)
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To: Coyoteman

Glad to hear that. And I might add it sounds wonderful.


243 posted on 08/03/2006 7:33:38 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

It was a followup. But if you want to exit the personal, feel free to answer my #238.


244 posted on 08/03/2006 7:34:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: ArGee
How do SNAKES have legs?? Their mommy and daddy SNAKES gave them to them?

Obviously. It's evidence that if you go back far enough, the snakes' ancestors had actual functional legs.

How does a duckbill platypus have a bill and lay eggs. It seems reasonable to decide that a duckbill platypus is a transitional form between a bird and a mammal. Except I have been assured from my high-school biology on to the present day that no biologist considers it so. It's just a mammal that has a duck's bill and lays eggs.

It's roughly the same shpe as a duck's bill, but anatomically it's quite different - for one thing its an electrosnsory organ. The platypus is actually a mammal that retains some reptilian features (like the reptile-like, as opposed to bird-like eggs, and many details of its skeletal structure)

Check this out Oolon Colluphid's Guide to Creation. Follow the links to find many examples of things like snake legs: platypus teeth (which never erupt), baleen whale teeth (which are reabsorsbed before birth), marsupial egg teeth (which are never used), etc etc

245 posted on 08/03/2006 7:35:05 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: freedumb2003
That is funny (LOL) but I really do try to avoid words like "stupid" on these threads.

Well, he said that the theory was far too complicated for HIM to understand, so it had to be false.

I guess nuclear energy is a complete hoax, then. :)

246 posted on 08/03/2006 7:36:04 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: freedumb2003
But what if someone came to you and wanted to discuss 3VL vs 2VL and didn't even understand a basic XOR? Would you think they are qualified to discuss that subject?

I would encourage them to discuss it as I encouraged and taught my employees how to become better informed in their chosen field. And I did it absent condescension and hubris.

247 posted on 08/03/2006 7:36:50 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freedumb2003
Just so I know. Since your tone is pretty typical of Creationists on most of these threads. I'll toss it on the stack as an example of how Christians show love for their fellow man.

LOL.

248 posted on 08/03/2006 7:41:32 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ArGee; sauron
Which reminds me: We see no evidence of abiogenesis in action on this very richly warm, wet world. WHY IS THAT?

Does anyone know where to look and what to look for? Also, newly-emerging proto life would most likely be eaten by bacteria.

Actually, I remember studying Pasteur's experiment (scientific experiment, no less) that proved it doesn't happen.

That is quite absurd. Pasteur showed that bacteria, molds, etc, don't form in chicken broth, milk, etc, under sterile conditions. He showed absolutely nothing about, say, sea water circulating thorough volcanic "chimneys" with pyrite surface chemistry.

249 posted on 08/03/2006 7:41:43 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: freedumb2003
It was a followup

No, it was you being a nasty little sh6t which is OKAY except you then go on to whine about tone. Very unbecoming an adult of any political persuasion.

250 posted on 08/03/2006 7:43:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
I would encourage them to discuss it as I encouraged and taught my employees how to become better informed in their chosen field. And I did it absent condescension and hubris.

There was no condescension. YOU were the one who came out with the crack about "the gifted ones." You were politely answered about increasing your education. Your response was to provide your CV.

Coyoteman and I both said pretty much the same thing. And now you are saying the same thing back.

So, what do you think about 2VL versus 3VL? I have strong thoughts on the subject but I would like to hear what you have to say.

251 posted on 08/03/2006 7:44:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: MineralMan; ArGee
...Humans have not been breeding dogs long enough for speciation to occur...

This is not strictly true. Great Danes and chihuahuas cannot mate, so in isolation they have to be considered separate species. Doemstic dogs and wolves form a ring species.

252 posted on 08/03/2006 7:44:45 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Does anyone know where to look and what to look for?

Volcanic "chimneys" with pyrite surface chemistry?

Ah but they have looked there. Alas no proto life.

253 posted on 08/03/2006 7:45:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Virginia-American; Coyoteman
Obviously. It's evidence that if you go back far enough, the snakes' ancestors had actual functional legs.

Another area in Genesis where the Bible writers got it right. The curse God put on the serpent was that it was to crawl on it's belly. Obviously it had legs before that and lost them.

254 posted on 08/03/2006 7:47:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Another area in Genesis where the Bible writers got it right.

An area where they perhaps got it wrong? You don't get much from eating apples...



255 posted on 08/03/2006 7:52:11 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003
There was no condescension. YOU were the one who came out with the crack about "the gifted ones." You were politely answered about increasing your education. Your response was to provide your CV.

Wrong again dumbdumb. Coyoteman was distresses at the hoi polloi offering opinions about science on a political website dedicated to conservatives of all stripes. Mucho condescension. And you agreed with him. And now I'm taking you to task over it.

And I won't be discussing boolean logic with you at all until I see some bona fides. And truth be known probably not even after I see your bona fides since the topic bores me to death. Judging by your ineptness at relating the truth however I suspect I won't be hearing them any time soon.

256 posted on 08/03/2006 7:54:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07; freedumb2003
Coyoteman was distresses at the hoi polloi offering opinions about science on a political website dedicated to conservatives of all stripes. Mucho condescension.

Sorry, not correct. You have not characterized my posts accurately.

I encourage everyone to learn; I spend a lot of time studying, and I think everyone should do so as well.

What I will criticize on these threads are opinions offered with no support, and no study, behind them.

257 posted on 08/03/2006 7:59:30 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003; ml1954
Ml1954: Define 'universe'.

freedumb2003: Give 3 examples ;)

Don't forget to compare and contrast.

258 posted on 08/03/2006 8:03:59 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: ml1954
Define 'universe'.

It's interesting that people will make a great show of the importance of rationality, then toss out such absurdities as: things can't create themselves (except for the invisible pink unicorn, which has always existed and which created everything else).

259 posted on 08/03/2006 8:05:27 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: jwalsh07
Inferior to you? Very funny.

On the internet, you are what you post.

260 posted on 08/03/2006 8:07:38 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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