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10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)
Evangelical Outpost ^ | 08/03/2006 | Joe Carter

Posted on 08/03/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: jwalsh07
LOL, you really have nothing to teach me. But thanks for the offer from the truly gifted. I am humbled.

No offer.

I repeat: There is a lot of information available out there. You can to seek it out and study it.

221 posted on 08/03/2006 7:12:15 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003
Sheesh, you people are unbelievable. I consider myself an average guy. I have no problem discussing any topic with you fellows, the truly gifted.

I think that means that some of us are overstating their "knowledge" by about 3 sigmas.

And it ain't me.

222 posted on 08/03/2006 7:13:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
LOL, you really have nothing to teach me. But thanks for the offer from the truly gifted. I am humbled.

Inferiority complex? People are treating you quite kindly. Why are you answering them with such sarcasm?

223 posted on 08/03/2006 7:14:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: Coyoteman

So can you. But perhaps a better idea would be to step away from the evo threads once in a while and engage your fellow humans face to face. You might not get any useful knowledge but you'll enjoy the company.


224 posted on 08/03/2006 7:15:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Sheesh, you people are unbelievable. I consider myself an average guy. I have no problem discussing any topic with you fellows, the truly gifted.

What is with you and this "gifted" thing? The question is "do you understand science fundamentals?"

If so, great. If not, then we recommend you learn.

You asked the question. Why get huffy about a straightforward answer?

225 posted on 08/03/2006 7:17:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: jwalsh07
You might not get any useful knowledge but you'll enjoy the company.

Just for the record: Are you a Creationist?

226 posted on 08/03/2006 7:18:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: Coyoteman
That really only applies to young earth creation, the 6,000 year old earth variety. You know that there are old earth creationists out there and there is no distortion of science needed for that to fit with science, nor is there the twisting of Scripture that many are accused of doing. I'm sure you're aware of how the 6,000 year age of the earth was calculated.

Much of Genesis does not have any conflict with what science has *discovered* about the universe.

There's the *beginning* part which science tried for a long time to deny until Einstein and Hubble proved otherwise.

The earth being formless and void (solar nebula theory) and honestly I can't think of a more succinct way of describing the earth at that stage in fewer words.

Water is separated from land - the elements had to separate out and water from land.

Creation of light - light takes time to travel and the sun and stars would not give light until they ignited.

How could you explain how people who had no conceivable way of knowing any of that stuff could get so much right in so few verses?

The big issue with the evolution/creation debate seems to be the time frame. Put that aside and the Bible has much more credibility than some would like to give it credit for.

There are also odd comments about the natural world scattered throughout the Bible besides the creation account that also display knowledge that was unknowable to them at that time. How can that be explained away? Lucky guesses? That many of them?

227 posted on 08/03/2006 7:18:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
Very funny freedumb. How many hours of calculus, physics, boolean algebra and logic have you taken at a university level? How did you do on your GRE's? Ever take 22 hours per semester in an Engineering program while working nights to support your family so you could graduate a year early? Served in the US Army? Owned and operated your own business for most of your adult life? Have 6 grandkids and a lovely wife, who by the way, is also an Army Veteran?

Inferior to you? Very funny.

228 posted on 08/03/2006 7:20:25 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: sauron
It came from somewhere, right?

Not necessarily.

Christians (and Jews, for we all agree on this matter) say that it came into being as a result of a Creator, who exists outside of the universe, and is eternal.

That's nice. And your scientific evidence for this eternal Creator that exists completely outside of the Universe is . . . ?

Even scientists agree that the universe is not, and cannot be, eternal.

That's because they have this thing called evidence.

Oh, they've tried--Oh! How they've tried!-- to make it an eternal universe!

Actually, those who do are considered to be crackpots.

229 posted on 08/03/2006 7:21:40 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: ml1954
Reread the post. I provided one but you can pick your own. Why not yours? Why not use the standard *defintion of universe as used by scientists* defintion, like all the rest of the special definitions you guys use? It'll work for me.

Debating over the definition of *universe* still doesn't answer the question of whether or not it could have created itself. It's just avoiding the issue. Nor is *Why not?* any kind of respectable scientific answer.

230 posted on 08/03/2006 7:23:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
The question is "do you understand science fundamentals?"

Wait, so now we have *science fundamentalists*? I thought fundamentalism was bad.

231 posted on 08/03/2006 7:25:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
Oh yes, I am a creationist. And a sinner as well. But not as bad as I was during a misspent youth.

Now one for you. What are your qualifications for discussing science? Not that one should need any on a political website but hey let's be open here, we're among fellow conservatives.

Along with my blue collar I managed to get a BS in Electronic Engineering thanks to the GI bill and some hard work. Lots of Boolean Algebra and Logic btw.

232 posted on 08/03/2006 7:25:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Hey, I was just trying to figure out why you are being so sarcastic. What is bugging you so?

Why do you feel the need to list your accomplishments and those of your family?

I have not been disrespectful of you. Why do you feel you can be so of others?

I could list my accomplishments (substantial, but quite different than yours) in a "whose is bigger" contest, but what would be the point?

If you have the knowledge, great. If not, then get it. Your CV clearly indicates the ability to do so with ease.


233 posted on 08/03/2006 7:26:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: metmom
Wait, so now we have *science fundamentalists*? I thought fundamentalism was bad.

You are always all over the map, but that was pretty funny ;)

234 posted on 08/03/2006 7:27:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: freedumb2003

Don't bother arguing with Fester Chugabrew: he actually concluded that evolution must be false, and his reasoning was that he was too stupid to understand it.


235 posted on 08/03/2006 7:27:45 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Coyoteman
In short, they generally don't trust science as a legitimate field of knowledge.

When it comes to evolution, that is putting it very mildly. Since it falls under the category of "a field of dreams".

236 posted on 08/03/2006 7:30:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: freedumb2003
The question is "do you understand science fundamentals?"

Yup, a strong grip with smooth tempo, the right shaft, the proper angle of launch to maximise distance and boom, off she goes.

I also understand science fundamentalists.....

Sometimes.

237 posted on 08/03/2006 7:30:47 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Oh yes, I am a creationist. And a sinner as well. But not as bad as I was during a misspent youth.

Just so I know. Since your tone is pretty typical of Creationists on most of these threads. I'll toss it on the stack as an example of how Christians show love for their fellow man.

Now one for you. What are your qualifications for discussing science? Not that one should need any on a political website but hey let's be open here, we're among fellow conservatives.

Asked and answered. Feel free to puruse the thread.

Along with my blue collar I managed to get a BS in Electronic Engineering thanks to the GI bill and some hard work. Lots of Boolean Algebra and Logic btw.

Good. EE depends on science but is not a scientific field.

But what if someone came to you and wanted to discuss 3VL vs 2VL and didn't even understand a basic XOR? Would you think they are qualified to discuss that subject?

238 posted on 08/03/2006 7:31:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("Knock knock" "who's there?" "Babs' uvula")
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To: jwalsh07
But perhaps a better idea would be to step away from the evo threads once in a while and engage your fellow humans face to face. You might not get any useful knowledge but you'll enjoy the company.

I spend a quite a bit of time in the wilderness with some Indian friends. I enjoy the company and learn a lot. There are usually some real old timers there. You can learn a lot by listening to real elders around a campfire, late at night, miles from the nearest road.

My primary reason for being on the crevo threads is to combat the anti-science folks. I try to keep my posts to scientific topics, and avoid religion. Unfortunately, some folks mistake belief and religion for scientific facts, and that does nobody any good.

239 posted on 08/03/2006 7:32:21 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: freedumb2003
Hey dumbdumb, you pointedly said that I had an inferiority complex. I pointedly rejected your false claim. You don't like the give and get, post to somebody else.

Comprende?

240 posted on 08/03/2006 7:32:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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