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Gag order sought in lacrosse case (NAACP Wants Gag Order)
Durham Herald-Sun ^ | May 25, 2006 | PAUL BONNER

Posted on 05/25/2006 5:04:51 AM PDT by abb

DURHAM -- A lawyer with the state NAACP said the civil rights organization intends to seek a gag order in the Duke lacrosse case, and a journalist who participated in a forum with him on Wednesday said media coverage of the alleged rape may deprive the alleged victim of her legal rights to a fair trial.

Al McSurely, an attorney who chairs the Legal Redress Committee for the state National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he generally respects the defense attorneys in the case as colleagues. But they are violating the State Bar's rules of professional conduct that discourage comments outside court that are likely to prejudice a case, he said.

The NAACP will try to intervene in the case to file a "quiet zone/let's let justice work" motion. That is otherwise known as a gag order, he acknowledged, although he said he doesn't like that term.

McSurely's comments came amid the first-ever Durham Conference on the Moral Challenges of our Culture at First Presbyterian Church downtown. The session gave the approximately 150 people who attended a chance to hear a series of talks and discuss among themselves sexual and domestic violence, racism, class distinctions and the media.

(Excerpt) Read more at herald-sun.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: crystalgailmangum; duke; dukelax; durham; lacrosse; naacp; nifong
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To: Ken H

I saw your post #358 after I had posted. Sorry.


421 posted on 05/26/2006 7:20:00 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: Jezebelle

What an ugly, base lie she has woven. I don't think she's afraid for her life, as she has floated. I think she can't be alone with her conscience. I believe the weight of this will eventually be her undoing. My only hope is that it is before it is too late for the boys.

The Hound of Heaven needs to be unleased on this young woman.


422 posted on 05/26/2006 7:20:15 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: GAgal; ltc8k6; Jezebelle
Cheshire did make the point at their Friday night presser that the male genetic material found "on a vaginal swab" from a "single male source well known to the police" was new information not previously given to the defense.

If I recall from the first DNA press conference, close the end a reporter asked if there was any DNA found in/on the AV. Mind you this is my recollection, I have most of the other stuff TIVO'd, but this one I don't. I think it was Cheshire who said something to the effect of "we don't know, we haven't seen the complete report yet".. I thought it odd at the time that there was no real follow-up to that. Could have been one of those "last question" moments.

I'll try to find the transcript or video of that meeting and re-listen.

423 posted on 05/26/2006 7:26:12 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: ltc8k6
So, I still think the SBI found nada in the first round.

If what you are saying is true, I would think that any cases decided on DNA and maybe other scientific evidence analyzed by the SBI would be in serious jeopardy of appeal.

If a representative of the state doesn't trust the results of its own scientific experts and those doubts are proved correct by this case, how can juries or judges be expected to trust them?

Open the flood gates....

424 posted on 05/26/2006 7:34:44 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: darbymcgill

Video of the first DNA defense press conterence:

http://www.wral.com/news/8600601/detail.html


425 posted on 05/26/2006 7:39:39 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

Yep, it's like I remembered. Cheshire is very specific about there being no DNA on or in her that would indicate that CGM had sex. Thus the boyfriend's DNA was not found by the SBI.


426 posted on 05/26/2006 7:53:50 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

"A sample that did not match the LAX players is exculpatory evidence. It would have been in the first report, imo.

What is the point of leaving it out, anyway? It will only look bad in court when it comes out that you left that out of the report."

Ah, but think of MF's motivation at that time. The primary was nearing...


427 posted on 05/26/2006 8:07:29 AM PDT by Guilty by Association
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To: ltc8k6

I was agreeing with you right up to "thus".


428 posted on 05/26/2006 8:09:35 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

We can disagree.

I see no valid argument there to protect the Felon on Parole - Carter.

The arguments were racially based. He even admitted in court to killing a woman for $15


429 posted on 05/26/2006 8:12:30 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: All; Ken H

If you read it close, I think:

We don't know that she EVER gave a description. We know she was asked earlier, we know how it was characterized by Himan in a question. But, we don't if she gave what we would call a description. What if she said 4 White Guys.

From Himan's sentence, that is entirely possible.


430 posted on 05/26/2006 8:17:24 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: GAgal

Okay, I'll rephrase. :-)

Thus, the SBI lab was unable to determine, from the vaginal swabs, whether or not the accuser had unprotected sex recently.

Doesn't sound much better for the SBI lab, does it?

Hey, I could certainly be wrong, it sure wouldn't be the first time. I just don't see any other way to read it at this point.


431 posted on 05/26/2006 8:18:47 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Jezebelle
I'm not sure why you think the defense would be entitled to the full report at the time the SBI results came back ...

I don't and I guess you are right I might not have called his failure to reveal to the defense that information sandbagging the defense. But you know and I know it was sandbagging the defense because Nifong did not want out that their was DNA found on or in Mangum that match someone not Duke lacrosse players. That might have beenn enough to tip a very close elections. Should I have said sandbagging the voters? Or sandbagging the defense and voters?
432 posted on 05/26/2006 8:31:10 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Mike Nifong
From the article:

"At some point in their interviews and investigations, one or more of these officers asked (the accuser) to describe the men who she claims sexually assaulted her, and (she) provided some answer to that question," the motion filed by lawyers Bill Cotter and Wade Smith said.

Her "response to that question is critical to the defense of the case and the state may not withhold that evidence from the defendant."

433 posted on 05/26/2006 8:37:52 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: abb
However, detectives found inconsistencies in the girl's story, police spokesman Officer Angelo Moscato said. Detectives recommended in Milford Superior Court that the charges be dropped.

What an interesting concept, the police investigate and the charges are dropped when inconsistencies were found. I wonder if they have heard of this idea in Durham, NC? Why it even sounds like the DA did not conduct the investigation there?
434 posted on 05/26/2006 8:39:49 AM PDT by JLS
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To: abb
A somewhat pertinent article...

Police: Girl made up rape story to avoid paying cab fare

http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=7399

What a tall tale. It can't be true because women never lie about rape.

435 posted on 05/26/2006 8:40:23 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: ltc8k6
Your #3 only partially matches my opinion of what happened, therefore I chose none of your options.

Are you still claiming Mangum was mailed to the state crime lab and they inspected her? Give it up.
436 posted on 05/26/2006 8:42:09 AM PDT by JLS
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To: abb

is it possible that they want this gag order because Crystal is about to come clean?.....


437 posted on 05/26/2006 8:45:28 AM PDT by uncitizen (" We are a nation of NATIVES")
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To: ltc8k6

".....SBI lab was unable to determine, from the vaginal swabs,..."

Given that SBI touts the STR method on its website (posted earlier), they SHOULD have been able to. Here is a bit on STR methods I found elsewhere written in plain english:

For human identification purposes, it is important to have DNA markers that exhibit the highest possible variation in order to discriminate between samples. It is often challenging to obtain PCR amplification products from forensic samples because either the DNA in those samples is degraded, or mixed, such as in a sexual assault case.

The smaller size of STR alleles make STR markers better candidates for use in forensic applications, in which degraded DNA is common. PCR amplification of degraded DNA samples can be better accomplished with smaller target product sizes.

http://www.dna-forensic.com/dna-str.html


438 posted on 05/26/2006 8:46:43 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: JLS

The SBI lab didn't have CGM's DNA for comparison?

They were looking for her DNA on items taken from the bathroom as well.

They must have had a little bit of CGM in the lab.


439 posted on 05/26/2006 8:53:19 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: GAgal

We cannot know your jury make-up in advance, and while we want to think the jury will have several who will be stoppers, people do strange things when they are in the minority on a jury and they're getting outvoted. Especially if the case has racial overtones and half of the jurors are black.

Some jurors are weak and easily cave in. Some want to be liked. Some don't want to be thought racist by the black jury members or the community.

There is not one good reason to keep the case in Durham if you can move it. The defense needs the case moved, so that all the Durham politics that are hurting them will be neutralized. Moving the case to another venue is a no-brainer.


440 posted on 05/26/2006 8:55:11 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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