Posted on 05/10/2006 11:24:25 PM PDT by OakOak
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun jstevenson@heraldsun.com May 11, 2006 : 12:20 am ET
DURHAM -- Tissue found under the fingernail of an exotic dancer who claimed she was raped at a Duke University lacrosse party may match a player who was there, several well-placed sources said Wednesday.
Analyzing the tissue, scientists concluded it came from the same genetic pool and was "consistent" with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players who gave DNA samples for testing, the sources said.
At the same time, scientists ruled out a possible match with any of the other 45 students, according to the sources.
If accurate, the fingernail tissue match would offer the first DNA evidence potentially linking the dancer and an alleged attacker.
But because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue, it was not possible to match it with the nearly 100 percent certainty that DNA results usually offer, the sources added.
The dancer told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for 30 minutes during the March 13-14 lacrosse house party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.
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He calls this Good News.
Can you say W E A K ?
So a lap dancer who was all over the guys and probably touching them has some skin cells under her nails.
I would find it odd if she did not.
What was the DNA results regarding what is between her legs? Anything there to back up a rape?
Ping!
Howlin,, Please use your Ping list..
Thanks
What are the odds this belongs to the poor sap who helped her into the car?
I think this is it. There's no reason for the DA's office (source, I'm sure) to downplay it.
This is about as weak as it gets, really.
Nancy Grace's head is going to explode. We'll have to hear Wendy Murphy talk about Vaginal trauma hysterically again.
Nifong will say he's sure a Rape took place and that he has a Very Strong case.
Her Father will talk about the broomstick incessantly.
Kim Roberts will continue meeting with agents. She's gone from wanted by the law for an outstanding warrant to wanted by Hollywood, BET, and major publishers. Not bad, huh?
Rita Cosby will ask the Cab driver if he noticed any DNA that night.
Geraldo will go on O'Reilly and proclaim the players will run to the DA to cut deals. They're white and soft, you know - according to Geraldo. O'Reilly will be amazed at Geraldo's cognitive prowess.
Ted Williams (on Greta) will say ARWWWWLLL.. Greta, I think this means she has some material under her Nails. That's not good Greta. How ugly can this case get? They should be ashamed at Duke!
Dan Abrams will say .. IS NIFONG NUTS? What is wrong with this man.., I need to take a break.
Susan Filan: I think this is very important to the prosecution. This is BIG. These boys cannot claim they were in Ohio on that night. I really feel for this woman.
Jim Hammer (Greta) will say.. We know they are guilty and this is just another NAIL in the coffin. Compelling stuff Greta!
Duke will ban all 46 players from the Campus for life and denouce them as sloppy and untidy.
A committee will be formed to study Duke's response to the DNA results.
The Black Panthers will march and proclaim - no one leaves cells under 'Divine' Black woman's nails. Sisters need to be protected from sloughing.
The N&O will publish more claims of underage drinking. An editorial will be published promoting the banishment of "swaggering" at White, Male, elitist Universities.
3 midnight Vigils will be held to protest unwelcome (cell) sloughing by oppresive males. One protest will focus on date and aquaintence sloughing.
Crystal will claim she was actually attacked with a Chainsaw and she suffers from flashbacks.
The Democrats will make a election commercial recreating 3 Rich, White Males Pulling on Crystal's Nails while she screams. Roberts will be off-camera saying, you weren't the one that was called a damn *i****.
The NY times and Wash Post will write articles outlining the inequity of the cleanliness between NCCU and Duke Frat House bathrooms.
Finally, Academics will claim the DNA testing was flawed due to an alarming lack of Diversity at the Test LAB!
A dancer/addict/maybe whore... was being busted while asleep drunk in a car in a retail center when she decided to cry rape (probably to beat the drunk charge).
So far it is a bust.
Police later recovered several stick-on acrylic fingernails from a trashcan, and the tissue in question was found under one of those nails, the sources said.
Oops... I guess not..
Well, the trash can in a defacto frat House bathroom is certainly a good place for contamination.
It was a Keg party.
I also noticed this from the Search warrants. They "seized" 5 fingernails - FIVE. Nifong and investigators later say FOUR Red polished fingernails were recovered consistent with the accuser's account.
FIVE Fingernails Versus four RED POLISHED nails.
A reasonable person could conclude that the fifth nail was unpolished, which would lend credence to the players claim that the AV was doing her nails in the bathroom.
These were fingernails not found or not collected by the DPD...
Media Gripe
Greta has a reporter on her show (replay) and the guy is only delivering part of the story. He has said 4 times that the 20 versus 3 men was second hand and the source is denying her said it.. But, they totally dodge (do no mention) that there's NO denial on the fact that she was changing her story.
Back to this Durham Herald-Sun article, notice how they say at the bottom how the bond was paid in Certified Checks? How is that relevant? I've NEVER seen any article refer to the payment method of a bond.
I'm told the link is not working any more.
Here's the article:
First DNA link possible in lacrosse case
By John Stevenson : The Herald-Sun
jstevenson@heraldsun.com
May 11, 2006 : 12:20 am ET
DURHAM -- Tissue found under the fingernail of an exotic dancer who claimed she was raped at a Duke University lacrosse party may match a player who was there, several well-placed sources said Wednesday.
Analyzing the tissue, scientists concluded it came from the same genetic pool and was "consistent" with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players who gave DNA samples for testing, the sources said.
At the same time, scientists ruled out a possible match with any of the other 45 students, according to the sources.
If accurate, the fingernail tissue match would offer the first DNA evidence potentially linking the dancer and an alleged attacker.
But because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue, it was not possible to match it with the nearly 100 percent certainty that DNA results usually offer, the sources added.
The dancer told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for 30 minutes during the March 13-14 lacrosse house party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.
Police later recovered several stick-on acrylic fingernails from a trashcan, and the tissue in question was found under one of those nails, the sources said.
District Attorney Mike Nifong was said to be away from his office all day Wednesday and could not be reached for comment.
The State Bureau of Investigation did an initial round of DNA testing in the lacrosse case. But according to defense attorneys, the SBI found no DNA from the 46 lacrosse players in or on the dancer's body, on her clothing and belongings or under her fingernails.
But Nifong decided to hire a private laboratory to do additional testing. He has said he expects a final report from that lab by Monday.
A DNA expert said Wednesday that one way a DNA report sometimes says DNA is "consistent" with a particular person is when there's a partial DNA profile of fewer than all 13 genetic markers commonly used in testing kits.
In that case, the number of markers available determines the reliability of the match, said Theodore D. Kessis, owner of Applied DNA Resources in Columbus, Ohio.
"It really depends then upon how partial is that profile," he said in a telephone interview. "A lot of people are of the opinion, including myself, that if it's supposed to test for 13, it should get 13, and something less than 13 is starting to hinge on the reliability of the result.
"When you get down into the two or three partial match, you get numbers that might be 1 in 6, it might be 1 in 10, so what happens then is the question of what's the probative value of the report. ... People play the lottery on worse odds."
So far, two lacrosse players have been indicted on rape charges: Duke sophomores Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty.
The alleged victim reportedly picked those two out of a photo lineup and identified them with what she claimed was 100 percent certainty.
Nifong said earlier he was pursuing the possibility of another indictment, although reports indicated the dancer was able to identify a third person with only 90 percent certainty. WRAL-TV, citing a transcript of the photo identification session the dancer had with police, reported Wednesday that she indicated a fourth player also may have been involved in assaulting her.
Tissue found under the dancer's fingernails was consistent with the third man's DNA pattern, sources told The Herald-Sun on Wednesday.
In addition, the sources said a male pubic hair had been linked to the case. But because the hair lacked a root, no identifiable DNA was obtained from it, they said. The only thing that could be determined was that the hair came from a white man, the sources said.
They did not pinpoint where the hair was found. But when police investigate rape cases, they normally comb through the alleged victim's pubic hair to determine whether male hairs are intermingled.
On DNA from hair, Kessis agreed that a common method for extracting and analyzing DNA, called nuclear DNA, usually requires tissue from a hair root. Another method, however, called mitochondrial DNA, can obtain DNA from hair shafts through DNA sequencing. That method yields results that are "not quite as probative," with matching probabilities typically between 1 in 200 and 1 in 4,000 to 5,000.
In another development Wednesday, defense attorney Bill Cotter obtained a monthlong postponement of Finnerty's preliminary appearance in Durham County Superior Court. The appearance had been scheduled for May 18. But Judge Ron Stephens granted a delay until the week of June 19.
Cotter said he needed the delay because he had not yet received enough "discovery material" from the District Attorney's Office.
Although the lawyer declined to be specific, such material normally includes things like police notes, medical reports and statements made to officers by victims and suspects.
So far, Seligmann has not requested a postponement of his May 18 preliminary court appearance.
Finnerty and Seligmann are free under $400,000 bonds, paid by certified checks, as they await further developments in the case.
Only if it's from one she picked out, right?
And how could they prove it was from an attack, and not from, say, her grabbing his arm when he put her in the car?
It's a match to the 3rd (90%) suspect.
There's a male pubic hair (unknown where it was on the AV) and it didn't reveal any DNA .. but they claim it was from a White Male. But, NO MATCH on the Pubic hair due to the poor quality (missing root).
bump
You're right, --- it's weak.
When the civil lawsuits are through, these are going to be some of the richest college LaCrosse players in history. At least on paper anyway. I seriously doubt it'll be possible to collect a multi-million dollar slander judgement from a cheap small town whore.
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I think it MAY be weaker than the article states.
On the Male Pubic Hair, they say it yielded NO identifiable DNA - I suspect that the classification of White male attached to the Pubic Hair in the article is from looking at the hair under a microscope and saying it has similar characteristics to White Male hair.
This is far less reliable than DNA testing. It is certainly not a Match to a white male, but a consistent with by observing similar characteristics.
I thought the defense attorneys said at that first press conference the day the DNA first came back that was in the bathroom.
You're probably right. The article kind of fools you and they mention a location and then they mention TYPICALLY combing thru the victim's pubic hair...
So, yes, there's nothing at all saying it was found on the AV.
Even weaker.
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