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1 posted on 09/16/2005 10:49:22 PM PDT by Gustavo
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"I also realize that "handouts" tend to create perverse incentives that can perpetuate poverty. However, the poverty gap is still so steep in this country (as compared to that of other similarly developed countries) that I cannot understand why the concept of a safety net for the most vulnerable is controversial... - Healthcare policy."

Americans are the most generous people in the world. And we do have numerous safety nets for those less fortunate. We even understand the need. Some great American - I've forgotten who - once said we need a safety net but not a hammock.

Good intentions are taken advantage of by those who try to beat the system. Study the effects socialism has had in the countries you have mentioned above.

You will find a greater disparity between the haves and the havenots under socialism. The problem in that system is that the havenots have less opportunity to rise. Not so under capitalism - where people can one day reap the benefits of their hard work.

If you lived in Tennessee you would witness the adverse effect state health care has had on our state's economy.


39 posted on 09/16/2005 11:51:28 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970. Forget? Hell.)
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I'm also a law abiding citizen and all for the rule of law and order.

Then you are no Bill/Hillary Clinton.

40 posted on 09/16/2005 11:53:41 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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HA HA!

42 posted on 09/17/2005 12:00:45 AM PDT by SIDENET (Nothing produces the quite same reaction as the sighting of a large, flying cockroach.)
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I got carried away in the run-up to the last election and lurked and trolled at Free Republic for a while. I am sorry I did this. I realize it was pathetic and deceitful. It was also not very productive. Please be lenient. I'm sure many of you have done the same on leftists sites

I posted 2 or 3 times at DU about 3 or 4 years ago, then I figured "Why waste time there, where the folks just keep rehashing the same tired arguments."

The discussions on FR have so much more depth and breadth and have better research to back them up.

49 posted on 09/17/2005 12:32:26 AM PDT by syriacus (To stay in power, Democrats need a MSM willing to lie about people + events + the constitution)
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To: Gustavo; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; Old Sarge; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; ...
Are you addicted to zot? Or do you pefer kitties?

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.

52 posted on 09/17/2005 1:36:55 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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GO.

HOME.

NOW.

53 posted on 09/17/2005 1:54:39 AM PDT by Watery Tart ("First, New Orleans Mayor Ray Naga… Nogg… Nagg… Not gonna work here anymore, anyway!" ~~Bob)
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54 posted on 09/17/2005 3:16:37 AM PDT by glock rocks (WYGIWYG !)
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How can it be that urban infant mortality rates in US cities is sometimes worse than that of some cities in developing countries?

Very high infant mortality since 1973!

55 posted on 09/17/2005 3:19:00 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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Sheesh....and the illegal immigrant wants "dialog" too? When are these idiots going to understand that we don't want to TALK? We just want them to GO AWAY.

ZOT!
ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT!

We know how you must be feeling right about now. :-) ...
ZOT!


57 posted on 09/17/2005 4:41:06 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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Welcome to FR. We may disagree on many things, agree on others.....but polite dialogue is always welcome in my book.


58 posted on 09/17/2005 5:06:50 AM PDT by RightOnline
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59 posted on 09/17/2005 5:32:57 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (If we're not the mainstream, how come we nearly control all three branches of Government?)
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You sir, are no doubt, ugly. I would venture to say that you are so ugly, both in mind, soul and outward appearance as to be revolting to the sight. Gut-wrenching, barf-bag filling, hang-a-pork-chop-around-your-neck-to-get-the-dog-to-play-with-you ugly. Mind-numbingly ugly. So ugly that you could look the medusa square in the eye and turn HER into stone. Naw, I bet you're even uglier than that. So ugly that in comparison to your visage, a bucket-full of penguine crap would be regarded as an artful masterpiece. Monumentally ugly. So ugly that If I had to look directly at you, my autonomic reflexes would cause me to soil my drawers. Worse - if your dead, decrepid corpse was fed into a tree-chipper, the chipper would malfunction and barf out tree-chipper teeth. Black-holes would refuse to alow you past their event-horizon for fear of contamination. THAT's how UGLY you are.

YYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!

Furthermore, you are a craven scumbag not worthy to lick the sweat from the festering testicles of a dead, decomposing camel.


60 posted on 09/17/2005 5:45:39 AM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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Good post. The responses should be interesting; and predictable. I wish you well.


62 posted on 09/17/2005 6:03:21 AM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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64 posted on 09/17/2005 6:16:11 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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Yes, I recognize that the issue is a reflection of the failure of the Mexican society and government to provide enough jobs for its citizens.

Well, just hang in there. We're providing those for Seniore Fox, too. We're sending all of our jobs down there.

65 posted on 09/17/2005 6:44:41 AM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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Also, many of these illegal immigrants are actually paying social security taxes (that they can't benefit from)

So you didn't know about all the illegals drawing disability checks from SSI?

66 posted on 09/17/2005 6:47:20 AM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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"the poverty gap is still so steep in this country (as compared to that of other similarly developed countries) that I cannot understand why the concept of a safety net for the most vulnerable is controversial"

Really? I can't understand how anyone familiar with the US' and states' welfare programs can continue to claim that there is no safety net for the most vulnerable. But that's what we expect from a demagogue.

The so-called "poverty gap" means that we don't have a Handicapper General who tries to homogenize and level everyone in order to establish an oppressive, single-party state.


70 posted on 09/17/2005 7:50:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Oops, looks like you got the El-Zotto, amigo!


75 posted on 09/17/2005 9:21:29 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Proud member of the 21st century Christian Crusaders)
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Gustavo.. you mean to tell me that THIS is your third post, and it is an opus?!

*random twitches slowly building up to full out guttural laughter*

Gustavo, you.. don't have a history for us to remember, so you will be easily forgotten.
;-)


76 posted on 09/17/2005 9:54:31 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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-I make an important distinction between law breakers that are pursuing a better way of life and most often are otherwise hard working and law abiding-

Congratulations on making distinctions; however, your "law abiding" lawbreakers put quite a strain on our infrastructure, causing even more to suffer. There will be no thanks coming your way.


77 posted on 09/17/2005 12:25:28 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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