Is Terri a person with constitutional rights?

3/23/05 | syriacus

[syriacus]

1. Dr. Cranford said, to Hannity last night, that PVS persons have no constitutional rights.

2. Cranford has said that Terri is PVS

Question:
Does Terri have the constitutional right to ask to be starved to death?

[Redleg Duke]

Apparently, she has no more rights than an unborne child.

[thoughtomator]

The guardians at litem I've researched... the latter two have serious conflicts of interest and cannot be considered credible. The 2003 guardian was particularly bad, IIRC. I wasn't able to find enough info on the first.

[northernlightsII]

Let's hear from you who exactly performed the diagnosis?

[SeanEBoy]

Becuae that is how the husband feels. You can question his motivation all you want--and the specualtion has been rampant and almost libelous--but he was in the better position to know. Better than any one in this forum, certainly. The matter of law here is simple: when one becomes incapacitated the spouse becomes his or her advocate regarding medical treatment. Whether you agree with Michael Schiave or not; or whether he has been consistent or not; whether he has been true to his wedding vows or not; whether he tortures ants with a magnifying glass or not and whether you like it or not.
That is the rule of law.

[northernlightsII]

Oh so you come here attempting to impeach the credibility of doctors you know nothing about,asserting on the other hand the validity of the diagnosis of of other doctors whom you know nothing about,; all the while basing your argument on the correctness of the finding of the judge when the whole point of this affair and the congressional act is that Greer's finding of facts will not be considered and there should be a trial de novo.

[thoughtomator]

The problem is that when you delve into the details there are conflicts of interest all over the place, and a distinct pattern of considering only evidence that supported the husband's position.

[northernlightsII]

Where did you get your law degree or did you just stay at a Holliday Inn last night.

[syriacus]

Remind me what motivation causes people to work in the "healing" professions.

Reminds me of people who are, somewhat, similar to these folks--

Angels of death

Angels of Death - The Doctors: Why do doctors kill? New chapter on Linda Hazzard who became rich off the deaths of her patients.

Angels of Death - The Female Nurses: Nurses continue to murder their patients. Dr. Katherine Ramsland examines the motives and some high-profile and recent cases.

Angels of Death - The Male Nurses: Evidence of nurses who murder their patients has reached epidemic proportions globally. Dr. Ramsland examines the motives and major cases.

[from page 9, at that link]

the 146,000 male registered nurses represent 5 to 7 percent of all nurses yet are responsible for more than one-third who have killed patients in the U.S. since 1975. 

Since male nurses are statistically over-represented among the nurses who kill, I wonder why Sheriff Everett Rice down there in Florida hired Michael Schiavo without an interview.

It's for sure I wouldn't hire a nurse without an interview.

[SeanEBoy]

So your few minutes of internet research should be considered before the opinion of a jurist who might, just might, have more data at his disposal and more working knowledge of Florida law.
Then we consider the appellate courts going up to the Supreme Court, which has already denied cert in this case once--and which it only takes four justices to grant review. If there was such malfeasance or incompetence, don't you think it's remotely possible that one of these venues may have been able to sniff it out as well as you and your keyboard?

[jazzlite]

"Dr. Cranford said, to Hannity last night, that PVS persons have no constitutional rights.
Remind me what motivation causes people to work in the "healing" professions. I think it's the same one that causes spouses to be beaten, and dogs to be kicked."

Hitler still lives. He declared them to be inhuman with no rights as he sent millions to the gas chamber. He was able to get plenty of help from his courts to carry out his executions.

[Golden Gate]

Something MUST Be Done Today for Terri Schindler (/schiavo) = *Rescue Her Today! *

Excellent Message: (Pastor) Frank Pavone's homily on Terri and a call for Civil DISOBEDIENCE

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These next two threads listed below have been in General / Chat. Maybe they were posted there. I've been asking if they can be moved to "News / Activism", so we can try to get some immediate help for Terri?

Time to send federal marshals to protect Terri!

Time to call Pres. Bush to write executive order [re: Terri S. in Florida]

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A Visit With Terri Schiavo - by Attorney Barbara Weller - Christmas Eve day, 2004     (Post #46 - by Pegita)

[syriacus]

Becuae that is how the husband feels

But Michael is not supposed to be suing for his rights, he is supposed to be suing for Terri's rights.

Michael's chief medical supporter, Dr. Cranford, thinks Terri has no rights.

[SeanEBoy]

I'm not impeaching anything. The courts have considered the opinion of these doctors. See my next post.
Where did you obtain your law degree from?
Personal attacks are quite charming.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

No one has the right to tell any other person to kill him. Good Lord, can you imagine the consequences if this weren't so? Every two-bit murderer would simply claim that his victim requested that he be killed, and the burden of proving otherwise would fall on the prosecution.

As a society we've flung ourselves right down the rabbit hole, and we're never going to pull ourselves out again until the notion that a human being is his own chattel property is completely laid to rest, both in the law, and in the public consciousness. The notion that "I own my body and can do anything with it that I please," is what has given rise to the mess we're in.

[syriacus]

If there was such malfeasance or incompetence, don't you think it's remotely possible that one of these venues may have been able to sniff it out

Judicial "collegiality" kills.

[SeanEBoy]

How the husband feels is material as he is her advocate and, again, he might have been in a slightly better position to know these things than any of us.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Where did you obtain your law degree from?

The same place Jesus got his Divinity degree, no doubt.

[SeanEBoy]

So the Florida state judiciary is in cahoots with the federal judiciary to murder this one lady? For collegiality?

[MisterRepublican]

So you agree with starving an innocent women to death? As long as a doctor and a judge says it's ok. Hey, killing babies in the womb is ok, too, cause the law says it is.

[syriacus]

Every two-bit murderer would simply claim that his victim requested that he be killed, and the burden of proving otherwise would fall on the prosecution.

My gosh!!

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