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American Idol 2005--Live Thread
3-15-05

Posted on 03/15/2005 5:53:32 AM PST by silent_jonny

AMERICAN IDOL 2005
LIVE THREAD

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KEYWORDS: americanidol; americanidolbo; babymamasfault; bo; carriewon; funpeoplethread; getseriesguys; idol; losethefatguy; texasflower; thedemiseoffr; weloveyoutammy
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To: Jrabbit
I bow to anyone that saw the Beatles...live!!

I DID :-P Indianapolis, 1964 :-)

6,461 posted on 05/10/2005 9:11:09 PM PDT by DietCoke
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To: Palladin

Vonzell found out today that the dog she'd had for 12 years just died. She didn't bring it up and didn't break down until Paula brought it up by asking her how she was doing, and even then she didn't give it out as an excuse.


6,462 posted on 05/10/2005 9:25:50 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: silent_jonny

Here I am on West Coast time, late as usual to the party ....

Well, darn. Just when I think I've got it all figured out (who will win, that is), the kids upset the apple cart. I was very disappointed in Carrie's second performance (a first for me) and in Vonzelle's first song (though if her dog died today, poor kid, I don't know if I could have sung at all in her shoes!). And astoundingly, I was really impressed by Anthony tonight. He's coming up strong -- something I would not have predicted at all a few weeks ago. He must be logging a lot of practice room time! Did they cut his second song short, BTW? He was so much better than Carrie with that song, but I think it was mostly the fault of the key. Carrie's rendition was pitched waaaaaaaay too low for her. She has a weak lower register anyway, and that just didn't fly. She needed to move up three or four tones. The show's music arranger either has it in for her or should be shot for general incompetence. Anthony's rendition, by contrast, was pitched right in the middle of his sweet spot. Sounded great! But I wish he'd quit wagging his index finger at us all ... LOL!

Let's see, what haven't I covered ... Bo's first song was apparently phoned in, but I thought he nailed the second one. That said, that song requires almost no range, so while his rendition was excellent, it didn't really show off what voice he has. And why does he insist on carrying the mike stand at all times? Is it his "lovey" or something? Will he lose his balance and fall over without it?

Dunno who I'm voting for tonight. For the first time, I'm tempted to vote for Wonder Bread. I'm off to think about it!


6,463 posted on 05/10/2005 9:46:47 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: silent_jonny

Actually, Josh Gracin and Clay Aiken sang the same song during Bee Gee's night (To Love Somebody). Of course, Clay's version was a whole lot better, and Josh said goodbye the next evening.


6,464 posted on 05/10/2005 10:41:06 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: silent_jonny

PS - I like Josh Gracin a lot, too - he's going to be appearing in Fremont CA next month, I think. Hoo rah!


6,465 posted on 05/10/2005 10:52:06 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: silent_jonny
"Country" and "Philly"... sounds like it should be at least half a slam-dunk for Carrie... but not so fast, the results are a bit surprising.

  1. Anthony -- Anyone who says Anthony wasn't the clear winner tonight needs to get a hearing screening done. He was the only one to come out and deliver "Idol"-level performances on both songs. He also had the best "country" and the best "Philly" song. Despite Simon's comments, I found his second song very convincing.

  2. Bo -- The lost Allman Brother strikes again. Very unchallenging song selections, but performed well. His first song seemed very "safe" and unexciting... lower in energy (both vocally and physically) than I expect from Bo.

  3. Carrie -- In my book, she's in trouble tonight, despite Vonzelle's collapse, though I'm sure the Carrie fans will see her through. Carrie should have owned the first song, but instead it was a good, but not star-quality, performance -- somewhat muddled in the lower register. The second song was again not bad, but really not great, and paled in comparison to Anthony doing the same song -- I also noticed a little over-singing here. Failure to shine in her native style and being out-sung on the same song on the same night spells trouble to me.

  4. Vonzelle -- A tale of two songs, the only saving grace being that it's better to finish with the good song when you screw the pooch on the first, rather than vice-versa. The first song (was that even country?) was a complete and utter mess: pitch problems, tone problems, over-singing... whatever her emotional breakdown was about, it completely manifested itself in this song. The second song was miles better, pitch and tone were back in control, as was the energy, but was it enough to save her? Probably not.

6,466 posted on 05/11/2005 4:18:30 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: texasflower

He doesn't really have a career. He sings in bars and he worked for a sports equipment shop in Helena. That's not a career. Vonzelle and Carrie have sung in pageants so they have probably the same experience he has.


6,467 posted on 05/11/2005 4:33:01 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Vonzell found out today that the dog she'd had for 12 years just died.

Judges shouldn't really blame her first song on that since her second song was much better.

6,468 posted on 05/11/2005 4:39:04 AM PDT by Netizen
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To: beandog
179 votes for Carrie.

WHOA! You have my eternal thanks!

6,469 posted on 05/11/2005 5:39:44 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Mornin' :)

Last night's show was a bit dull. It seemed like everybody had a good song and a bad song--and the good songs weren't that great.

But my Spidey-Sense was tingling over Vonzelle. Her tears, her cutesy Shirley Temple smile, her pimped-out dad suddenly appearing in the audience, causing her to cry even more--it was all too much for me. And now we find out that her dog died, too??? Sheesh! I don't believe it. Vonzelle knows she's in extreme danger this week and I think she was playing the sympathy card for all it was worth.

6,470 posted on 05/11/2005 6:05:58 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: kevkrom
it's better to finish with the good song when you screw the pooch on the first, rather than vice-versa

I swear to you all on the grave of Charlie Parker that I used this phrase without knowing about Vonzelle's dog dying being the reason behind her emotional breakdown.

6,471 posted on 05/11/2005 6:06:04 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: bootless
Of course, Clay's version was a whole lot better, and Josh said goodbye the next evening.

That's why I say performing the same song on the same night shouldn't be allowed. It will always make one of the singers look really bad. Not fair.

6,472 posted on 05/11/2005 6:08:42 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: silent_jonny
That's why I say performing the same song on the same night shouldn't be allowed. It will always make one of the singers look really bad. Not fair.

Perfectly fair in my book, and should be required more often. Having the singers do the same song gives a very clear way to compare them head-to-head.

6,473 posted on 05/11/2005 6:09:47 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: kevkrom
The scorecard is getting shorter and shorter :)

While Carrie wasn't great on the second song, she did a fine job on her first--especially considering it was a Dixie Chicks song (vomit). I take nothing for granted, but I believe she'll survive tonight. Vonzelle, though, turned off a lot of people with her waterworks. It didn't seem genuine to me at all. It seemed like manipulation.

Vonzelle falls tonight.

6,474 posted on 05/11/2005 6:16:20 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: kevkrom

It's not fair when the arrangements are different. Carrie's version (the original) was too low and fast. Fedorov's version (the Simply Red cover) was more suited to his voice.


6,475 posted on 05/11/2005 6:19:47 AM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: DietCoke
I bow to anyone that saw the Beatles...live!! I DID :-P Indianapolis, 1964 :-)

September 3... I sat by the radio and wished I was older. :^)

6,476 posted on 05/11/2005 6:20:04 AM PDT by Samwise (Laura Bush puts the lie to the liberal ideal of what a woman should be.)
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To: silent_jonny
It's not fair when the arrangements are different. Carrie's version (the original) was too low and fast. Fedorov's version (the Simply Red cover) was more suited to his voice.

It's the contestant's job to work with the music director, as far as I'm concerned. If it's too low, get it transposed or pick a different song.

6,477 posted on 05/11/2005 8:25:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: silent_jonny
While Carrie wasn't great on the second song, she did a fine job on her first

I thought the lower-register stuff on the Dixie Chicks song was muddy and dull. I've also heard better AI versions of that song (didn't Carrie do this -- well -- during the first Hollywood phase?).

Vonzelle, though, turned off a lot of people with her waterworks. It didn't seem genuine to me at all.

Personally, I thought Carrie's "interview" segment, where she tears up about missing her family looked fake -- the smile comes back a fraction of a second before the camera breaks away, which looked to me like she was pleased with her acting job.

I think Carrie has shown poor song selection, and seems to be coasting on the fact that she's the popular, pretty blonde girl, rather than actually trying to win this on talent.

6,478 posted on 05/11/2005 8:30:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: silent_jonny

Sorry, I couldn't join you last night, but I did watch later on Tivo.

I am dying to know... anyone got the skinny on what Vonzelle was crying about. My husband and I speculated on a death in the family, breakup with a boyfriend, or just upset for blowing the song?

Please help if anyone knows.


6,479 posted on 05/11/2005 9:14:08 AM PDT by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe

Apparently her dog (of twelve years or so) died. I had the unhappy irony of saying that she "screwed the pooch" on song #1 before I knew why... :/


6,480 posted on 05/11/2005 9:37:49 AM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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