Do you respect a childs right to be born?
God plans for people to have abortions?
Ida, are you asking honest questions here?
Excuse me. If you are still here. But what if someone wanted to "love God" the way queers "love" each other?
You seem to have logic in this silliness you posted that sems to say "God is a homo".
Um, don't know you, don't give a whit about your soul.
That unborn kid's life, however, is something I'd like to save.
Most people on this site don't care if two consenting adults want to have gay sex. But most people on this site, and in America don't believe those people should be allowed to be "Married".
Troll. No good will come of treating this pinhead with respect. It's most likely a juicy quote trap.
So if I said "I respect your right not to own a slave" would you recognize my "right to own a slave?"
If most gays weren't so promiscous, I'd have less of a problem with them. However, they are still the primary vector for the spread of AIDS in this country - and they insist on getting in our faces and demanding we accept this. I don't.
Silly fool. I don't expect anyone could ever force abortions on pregnant women. That's simply beyond the pale. Try telling that to a woman pregnant with her second child in China. It's happening there and it could happed here but that is not my main concern with abortion. Abortion kills a HUMAN BEING! That person is being 'forced' to die simply because some selfish woman doesn't want to be inconvenienced. Sorry if I offend.
You ask not for understanding, your transparent desire is complete control over the parameters of debate.
Your decision to compare the lives of unborn living children to weeds is disgusting. I am never virulently anti-abortion/pro-life, except when people bring up these completely disgusting analogies of children as weeds and flowers. And only during these times do I identify with those who shout the slogan "I am a survivor"
And I'll call you out, it's taken directly from old NOW literature.
Using Alinsky techniques here won't get you any respect.
If a serial killer doesn't "morally" think he is doing anything wrong, should we just ignore him? After all we shouldn't impose our morals on him right?
If a daughter thinks that her Alzheimer's ridden mother is an imposition on her life at that time, should we allow her to kill her to get her out of the way?
If a child is born with a severe case of Down's Syndrome, should we allow the parents to withhold nutrition. After all they may not "want" the child at that time.
I do understand your misgivings. But in the case of abortion these women are killing their children.
One last thought.... It is a federal offense to destroy the egg of a Bald Eagle, yet it is OK to destroy the life of an unborn child. It is time to get our priorities straight.
We just read your post on DU but I give you credit for having the guts to come on here.
Since this is apparently the point you are trying to make, let's address it.
1. What people called 'crimes' are generally derived from the Ten Commandments. The concepts of sin and crime are closely linked.
2. No one wants to fund crime. On that same token, no one wants to fund sin. Most Americans, and most people on this website, are very 'live and let live' until it comes to having to actually fund things they don't believe in. That is where conflict begins.
3. Very, very, very few people are in favor of outlawing sin. We just want it to pay it's own way. If that sounds fair to you, then you'll get along fine with us.
Perhaps Ida, you need to realize that the pro-life people do not all necessarily want to take abortion away as a last choice option of a woman, but rather quite simply want the government to get the heck out of the business, legislation and involvement of abortion. It is because the Gov't is trying to 'legislate' in this area that we have it being used as last-choice for birth control, which gives us the RU42 'morning after' pill and the ghastly practice of partial birth abortions.
You think this is what God wants? Think again.
Further, if your 'people' are so loving, where is the tolerance in the Democratic party for those that feel as we do? Last I remember, any pro-lifers, as well as the boy scouts themselves, were booed out of the 2000 Democratic Convention. How do you square this with your 'let's all get alone' request?
Ida, you will not find a more loving party, that is more open to both sides, tolerant of all opinions, than you will with the Republican party and with Conservatives in general. We may argue and disagree but we work with, are related to and live with abortion, homosexuality and more just as you do. Different than the republican party, we actually have representatives in government serving our country that represents both sides in many of these issues. That is NOT the case with the DNC.
As far as homosexuality goes, you make some good points. I can understand why many may feel that 'God created me this way.' I don't agree with it, nor is it supported in anything but I do know that the lifestyle needs this belief to live anything close to a normal life, so it is understandable.
What you have to remember and not be in denial over is, that regardless of how difficult it is to change this lifestyle it is not impossible and people are doing it everyday. THIS is a fact that the homosexual community does not want the public to know. Homosexuality is NOT a 'civil right' nor is it a race, color or creed. It is a 'choice', period.
Society has shown that we have always had people that have made that choice, so perhaps we should make some allowances for that fact. Society has also shown that we will always have prostitution with us as well, so I am also somewhat approving of 'red light districts'. I am not speaking for all with my parallels here, but I do believe I am speaking for most when I say that we don't have to have these 'choices' shoved on us, at us, at our children, in our schools, in our churches, etc. If the 'gay community' really wanted to 'just get along', you would not see them 'acting out' in public sex displays, gay pride parades, promoting sexual orientation literature to children, defending NAMBLA, etc.
Ida, if you are sincere, you will find much more dialog, openness and acceptance on this side of the wall between democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives, than you will on the other. You will not find the large percentage of hatred, name calling, rock throwing, election tampering, etc. But that all comes back to the real question ... is your post sincere.
Your giving your opinion that everything is okay as long as it doesn't effect you. Worthless!
By the way, do you work at Planned Parenthood?
What say you?
Ida, if it doesn't work out for you here, you might try Conservative Underground. You'll get lively reasoned debate, and won't be banned out of hand, unless you are a major disruptor. You can speak your mind there, but you had better be prepared to back up your opinion with some facts, or you will be flamed and made fun of.
Hang around a while Ida. You'll find we're not really the fire-breathing dragons we're portrayed over at DU, plus our language is better. For the most part we are civil and courteous with a few loud-mouthed exceptions. You'll not find obscene name-calling here like you do at DU, I post over there too and find the language abhorrent, and I spent 20 years in the army and have heard it all.
Oh, PS - my opposition to abortion isn't based on religious beliefs, and I really don't care about the gays one way or another - what other consenting adults do is none of my business.