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Even if the government were attempting to quell potential civilian rioting that would occur with general knowledge of the "end of the world", there would be signs of massive constructions underground (the "Burrow") preparing to preserve a remnant for repopulating the world. This would be a noticeable drain on the economy. It ain't there.

Consider: a world-wide consipracy of silence among astronomers and cosmologists may be possible (I doubt it... think of the egos) but how about a world-wide conspiracy of silence among BUREAUCRATS and POLITICIANS??? I think you would see a grand migration of bureaucrats' and politicians' families moving to Colorado and Montana, lands high and far away from oceans... it hasn't happened. Too many high-level government officials in FEMA and other departments have left government service in the past 20 years... many of them with no family "baggage" that can be used to coerce their cooperation and silence... to maintain such a stupendous conspiracy of silence. They haven't squealed!

If this EOW event were nigh, would we have allowed the Space Shuttle to have been sidetracked by one little accident? Wouldn't we be building as many as we could in hopes of a technological breakthrough that would need transportation to space to save us all? The shuttle is grounded!

Dr "Gartrel" MISSPELLED HIS OWN NAME! How likely is that? He also claimed that the "friction" of the "dust cloud" would result the Space Station and all satellites falling from orbit, releasing "tons of toxic gases and rad" that would cause us all to "choke". A proper scientist would refer to "DRAG" not "FRICTION" as what would cause the satellites to fall from orbit. A proper scientist would know that the itsy-bitsy amount of "toxic gases" and radiation added to the atmosphere by these falling satellites would not even be noticeable to humanity,

Speaking of the satellites if, as this guy asserts, we are already seeing the early effects of the "friction" on the Moon ("IT isn't where it supposed to be!") and the "wobble of the Earth" WHY can I still receive my satellite dish signal? Why hasn't this "friction" slowed the geo-synchronous satellites' orbits and caused them to no longer BE where my dish points???? Why are the GPS satellites still working?

I think the test of this scenario is in the reports of the naval ships going to sea.

IF the government is expecting major cosmic collisions in the next three-four weeks, then ALL 12 carrier groups would be sent to sea, not just seven.

Oh yeah,... Regarding all our ships being sent out to sea... Can you think of a better place for them? I can't see the government paying millions of $$$ for aircraft carriers to leave them sit there docked. What is so ookey about our Navy going out to sea?

If this collision is to take place, what's the point of saving SEVEN of our ships when the bulk of our world will be gone anyway? Well, I guess you'd still have seven ships to play with when you can't find any food to eat or grow... That's the important thing I guess... gotta have SOME hobby after the holocaust!

When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this. All of this material is coming from an unknown, and unverifiable source. I think it is all coming from the SAME source, rather than several sources and each of the people "quoting the source" are simply passing on this information as second-hand rumor. I haven't heard or seen anything about such troop movements (NOT that I would ever post such a thing anyway, and I would think that most of you would know better too actually).

In other words, we don't know about the naval movements at this point with ANY sort of accuracy (and for obvious reasons if I KNEW about such things, I wouldn't verify it anyway). Since I don't know and I can assume that most of you don't know, we can all assume for the time being that if this type of information is being bandided about, it's NOT ACCURATE! One TV station link that says "seven of the twelve carriers" away from port at the same time. That means that it is unusual, but does it mean something else is going on? Not really. It means that conspiracists' minds want to "know" (or make up reasons for it).

Interesting bit on the HAM radio talk though.

Yeah, it was. Anyone got a link to the ACTUAL recording per chance? I just happen to ALSO be a ham radio operator, and hold an amateur extra class license (That's the highest license class in the US there is). I've worked in radio for well over 30 years both professionally and as an amateur radio operator, and have been listening to the short wave since I was about 8 or 9 years old. I'd love to hear this recording, if anyone knows where it is located.

11.176 Mhz (11176 khz) is assigned to the shortwave bands, however, I have actually USED that frequency with the military. The site "Above Top Secret" has some information on this as well (which I assume you got it from there?) I noted that Bushcountry was one of the links to the information... hmmm: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread48028/pg1 and http://www.bushcountry.org/news/may_news_pages/g_050204_withheld_earth_danger_inbound_meteors.htm

Anyway, about this whole communications thing.... I can't seem to find or verify anything in the way of callsigns on this frequency, but, starting tonight, I'll start monitoring the HF frequencies I DO know about and listening in (I have several SW receivers). For the record that frequency is NOT a ham band (that is we do not have operating priviledges there on that particular frequency). However, it isn't difficult for someone to transmit pretty much anywhere, given the right, albeit, somewhat expensive equipment.

Actually, I believe that exploding a nuke (or several nukes) near it would deflect it by a couple of tenths of degrees. If it is far enough out, that would be enough to cause it to miss the earth. However, as far as I know, we have no rocket capable of delivering a nuke that far.

The scenario is "IF we catch it in time". That is if we have years of time to plan it, that's possible. If something is discovered a few months from impact (or a few days) there is literally nothing whatsoever that can be done, save perhaps protecting the inland areas, assuming the rock will hit the ocean.

I visited Meteor Crater a couple of weeks back, something I've wanted to do since I was a child. It was AWESOME (the grand canyon is more awesome, but considering the way the two were formed, you have to get your mind around that concept!) as it was over a mile across, and about 3.5 miles in diameter. It was created only 50,000 years ago when a 150 foot-in-diameter nickle-iron meteor slammed into the planet. Life apparently survived, however that particular region probably lost most of the life around there. Assuming anything we have "coming in" is not much bigger, it's gonna cause a regional disaster. If it is bigger, we can only guess.

That's what I'd do with the fleet, if it were my call. Still, I am far from convinced with this meteorite-strike stuff. All that we have is one highly dubious source, and a lot of material from sites that say this kind of thing all the time, anyway.

I'm not convinced either. However, I say keep an open mind about it. On the other hand the "dubious source"... well, that speaks for itself, doesn't it? :)

Comets make rare joint appearance Unrelated. Comets LINEAR and NEAT have both been known about for months. I spent a few nights observing comet NEAT from a desert location in New Mexico in my travels recently. Both comets' paths take them around the sun and away from Earth. The calculations have been done to death. If I had my lap top with me I could tell you where to look tonight for them. So far, they have been right where predicted.

I alway find the "End of the World" Christians to be funny, if not kinda sad.

Don't blame it on "end of the world Christians". It's just end of the world people. Those who are Christian do not have anything to worry about. The ones who are always coming up with these conspiracies about the government are neither Christian nor are they even right wing people for the most part. Now, those that believe them are from ALL walks of life.

Stanton Friedman and Jim Hoagland

Not that I care you got his name wrong, because he and I do not get along well, hehehe, but it's RICHARD Hoagland. I think you should at least get it right though, since he's actually gone out on a limb with some of his ridicilous theories and been proven wrong (for the most part) and he has done other things I won't go into. Whomever JIM Hoagland is doesn't deserve having such stuff dropped in his backyard if he's not doing it. While RICHARD HOAGLAND on the other deserves everything coming to him. :)

If I were really determined to survive something like this, I'd move to the Rockies or someplace, pick my homesite with infinite care, have the ability to farm, hunt and fish and protect myself from any possible hordes of the unprepared. Unless a)The impact is of such violence that this is all moot, or b) I get squashed like a bug by having the rotten luck of being at Ground Zero.

Give RAFLEET and myself a holler when you get to the Rockies. :) That's where WE LIVE. haha. By the way, all the good fishing spots are already taken! So you'll have to share one of ours. :)

I agree. I have been called a racist, bigot, homophobe, intolerant @$$h0le, and other things less accurate... LESS ACCURATE? LOL! Good one :)

Don't know why, but it spooked me.

The idea IS to spook you. Conspiracy theorists the world over have practiced this art for several years now. They are getting "better at it". I've been involved in this "anomalies community" for a long, long time running forums, communicating with these folks, arguing with them and at times even taking up their cause (for the purposes of learning of course, never to pass on fake information) and over the years I think I've gotten a pretty good "feel" for the psychology of these folks. The point IS to scare you. A long time ago it was the survivalists being taken to task by the media, and the REASON for this if it isn't clear now, that there are anti-gun forces out there that simply want to make the right wing look bad. So, the infiltrated the groups and brought them down a few levels. It took a long time to show this to individuals, but we've managed to show it. I think Rafleet can even attest to this somewhat. Now, we have folks who simply like to cause panic, and are truely anarchists at heart. They WANT the world to end. They WANT people to panic. They WANT the world to come apart at the seams, stocks to crash, people to suffer, and above all they want complete anarchy to reign. The end of the world scenario is a deep dish of chocolate ice cream to them. ANYTHING they can do to make you DOUBT yourself, your faith, your world, your country, your very existence gives them a feeling of power over you.

It is for this reason that I'm even paying any attention to this thread. Normally, I'd have moved on, but there is something in my blood that just IRKS the hell out of me when people simply dismiss this sort of thing as "all kooks" and lump a lot of people together or worse, believe it without looking up the facts. In other words, those of us who are "survivalists", not unlike myself and RAFLEET, aren't kooks. We're dyed-in-the-wool, real, honest and down-to-earth people who look at things from the point of view that technology isn't what keeps us alive today, and that technology isn't what kept the human race alive in the past. The survival of the human race is something we all should be doing and thinking about. Dismissing these conspiracy folks, or their stories of death-asteroids is just as wrong though. They aren't people who are going to be there to HELP you along, if there IS a disaster, they will be there TAKING what you have. Furthermore, the asteroid scenario is REAL. Don't dismiss it, even if certain in-the-know scientists do that. It IS a real threat. An impact on this planet is something you ought to think about.

Remember Shoemake-Levy 9? That was the comet that was broken up into about 20-25 pieces as it passed Jupiter at some point in it's history, and was sucked up by Jupiter's gravity. One piece of that comet that hit Jupiter (all the pieces hit) produced more energy than ALL of the nuclear weapons on this planet put together and detonated at the same time. That WILL destory all life on this world. I would hope our destiny is something a little more than that of the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs had small brains and didn't understand what happened to them, we humans at least can conceive of such destruction, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

So, whether this Aussie guy is accurate or NOT is completely irrelevant, at least it makes you all THINK about it. That's good. What's bad is to simply be spooked by it and not bother to learn something new. :)

I guess that's all, this was a long message and my apologies for making it so long. Rick

His strange obsession with "TONS OF TOXIC FUMES" as a few dozen satellites fall back into the atmosphere are the rantings of a lunatic, not the reasonings of a scientist who has knowledge that of TEOTWAWKI. A few tons of toxic gases released and dispersed and probably distroyed as they re-eneter the atmosphere at 17,000 mph should the the last of his worries.

As for his name, anyone could go online to a university and do a quick search and come up with a name of a person with any type of degree they wanted to impress others with.

RE: plutonium in orbit- It would take ~98,000,000 tons evenly distributed over the entire earth to create a 1 foot thick section of air exceeding the LD-50 for it. That's about 97,999,100 more tons than ever created...

Also, parts of the texts I've seen indicate the "objects" are <= 1 mile in diameter and ~55-75 lbs\ft3. Thats dirty water weight, easily nukable even if close, and probably prone to explode atmospherically. No where near Cretaceous or Permian extinction sizes...