Is The End Of The World As WeKnow It Right Around The Corner? (Lunacy or The Coverup Of History?)

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[JustPlainJoe]

Dude, that's GREAT!!! (Wiley E. Coyote)

I printed this whole post and read it at home last night.
Dr. Goebbels, Gartell, Garbage,(whatever) is a Quack.

He wants to play "Phantom of the Opera" with people; HE knows this terrible secret that he feels he MUST share with the world! But he only talks in vague riddles and then insults people who question him. He insists on a vow of anonymity, saying he will ONLY reveal his identity 3 days before impact.
Well, it didn't take very long for him to spill the beans, did it? "You fools! Prove me wrong if you CAN!"
I see Lon Chaney hanging from the chandelier now....

In the midst of all this, he takes a 2 week vacation to visit his grandchildren before coming back to CONTINUE his taunting of internet surfers? I may be dumb as a box of horse manure, but If I knew that the end of the world was coming in a month, I'd spend EVERY minute of it with my kids/grandkids. No offense to we FReepers, but I surely wouldn't bother coming back to toy with you or any other message board group about 'what I know'.

Another thing....

This clown says that "of COURSE you can't see it - its coming from DUE SOUTH! It can ONLY be seen from (coincidentally) Austrailia - HIS home. Pardon my ignorance folks, but if this thing is heading at us from due south and can only be seen from Austrailia, HOW in the world can Austrailia be the SAFEST place on earth?
Somebody please clear this up for me.... I feel sorry for all those wallabys, kangaroos and koala bears - they have to share a country with this kook, Dr. Garbage.

This guy is seeking attention. Desperately. I don't know what chemicals he spent all those years working around in his laboratory, but he really should be warning people about the permanent damage caused by THEM.
I wonder what kind of doctor he really is! Has he ever worked on horses? Corns, bunions and ingrown toenails maybe?

This guy is a FROOT LOOP. I shall not refer to him as 'Aussie Bloke' but as 'Toucan Sam'. This bird has flown the coop!

[JustPlainJoe]

Oh yeah,... Regarding all our ships being sent out to sea... Can you think of a better place for them? I can't see the government paying millions of $$$ for aircraft carriers to leave them sit there docked. What is so ookey about our Navy going out to sea?

If this collision is to take place, what's the point of saving SEVEN of our ships when the bulk of our world will be gone anyway? Well, I guess you'd still have seven ships to play with when you can't find any food to eat or grow... That's the important thing I guess... gotta have SOME hobby after the holocaust!

[JustAnAmerican]

This guy seemed like a pretty big Kook the first time I read this a week or so ago, but with the meteor shower/Big booms over WA this morning methinks I will keep an open mind all the same.

[Rick.Donaldson]

When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this. All of this material is coming from an unknown, and unverifiable source. I think it is all coming from the SAME source, rather than several sources and each of the people "quoting the source" are simply passing on this information as second-hand rumor. I haven't heard or seen anything about such troop movements (NOT that I would ever post such a thing anyway, and I would think that most of you would know better too actually).

In other words, we don't know about the naval movements at this point with ANY sort of accuracy (and for obvious reasons if I KNEW about such things, I wouldn't verify it anyway). Since I don't know and I can assume that most of you don't know, we can all assume for the time being that if this type of information is being bandided about, it's NOT ACCURATE! One TV station link that says "seven of the twelve carriers" away from port at the same time. That means that it is unusual, but does it mean something else is going on? Not really. It means that conspiracists' minds want to "know" (or make up reasons for it).

Interesting bit on the HAM radio talk though.

Yeah, it was. Anyone got a link to the ACTUAL recording per chance? I just happen to ALSO be a ham radio operator, and hold an amateur extra class license (That's the highest license class in the US there is). I've worked in radio for well over 30 years both professionally and as an amateur radio operator, and have been listening to the short wave since I was about 8 or 9 years old. I'd love to hear this recording, if anyone knows where it is located.

11.176 Mhz (11176 khz) is assigned to the shortwave bands, however, I have actually USED that frequency with the military. The site "Above Top Secret" has some information on this as well (which I assume you got it from there?) I noted that Bushcountry was one of the links to the information... hmmm: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread48028/pg1 and http://www.bushcountry.org/news/may_news_pages/g_050204_withheld_earth_danger_inbound_meteors.htm

Anyway, about this whole communications thing.... I can't seem to find or verify anything in the way of callsigns on this frequency, but, starting tonight, I'll start monitoring the HF frequencies I DO know about and listening in (I have several SW receivers). For the record that frequency is NOT a ham band (that is we do not have operating priviledges there on that particular frequency). However, it isn't difficult for someone to transmit pretty much anywhere, given the right, albeit, somewhat expensive equipment.

Actually, I believe that exploding a nuke (or several nukes) near it would deflect it by a couple of tenths of degrees. If it is far enough out, that would be enough to cause it to miss the earth. However, as far as I know, we have no rocket capable of delivering a nuke that far.

The scenario is "IF we catch it in time". That is if we have years of time to plan it, that's possible. If something is discovered a few months from impact (or a few days) there is literally nothing whatsoever that can be done, save perhaps protecting the inland areas, assuming the rock will hit the ocean.

I visited Meteor Crater a couple of weeks back, something I've wanted to do since I was a child. It was AWESOME (the grand canyon is more awesome, but considering the way the two were formed, you have to get your mind around that concept!) as it was over a mile across, and about 3.5 miles in diameter. It was created only 50,000 years ago when a 150 foot-in-diameter nickle-iron meteor slammed into the planet. Life apparently survived, however that particular region probably lost most of the life around there. Assuming anything we have "coming in" is not much bigger, it's gonna cause a regional disaster. If it is bigger, we can only guess.

That's what I'd do with the fleet, if it were my call. Still, I am far from convinced with this meteorite-strike stuff. All that we have is one highly dubious source, and a lot of material from sites that say this kind of thing all the time, anyway.

I'm not convinced either. However, I say keep an open mind about it. On the other hand the "dubious source"... well, that speaks for itself, doesn't it? :)

Comets make rare joint appearance Unrelated. Comets LINEAR and NEAT have both been known about for months. I spent a few nights observing comet NEAT from a desert location in New Mexico in my travels recently. Both comets' paths take them around the sun and away from Earth. The calculations have been done to death. If I had my lap top with me I could tell you where to look tonight for them. So far, they have been right where predicted.

I alway find the "End of the World" Christians to be funny, if not kinda sad.

Don't blame it on "end of the world Christians". It's just end of the world people. Those who are Christian do not have anything to worry about. The ones who are always coming up with these conspiracies about the government are neither Christian nor are they even right wing people for the most part. Now, those that believe them are from ALL walks of life.

Stanton Friedman and Jim Hoagland

Not that I care you got his name wrong, because he and I do not get along well, hehehe, but it's RICHARD Hoagland. I think you should at least get it right though, since he's actually gone out on a limb with some of his ridicilous theories and been proven wrong (for the most part) and he has done other things I won't go into. Whomever JIM Hoagland is doesn't deserve having such stuff dropped in his backyard if he's not doing it. While RICHARD HOAGLAND on the other deserves everything coming to him. :)

If I were really determined to survive something like this, I'd move to the Rockies or someplace, pick my homesite with infinite care, have the ability to farm, hunt and fish and protect myself from any possible hordes of the unprepared. Unless a)The impact is of such violence that this is all moot, or b) I get squashed like a bug by having the rotten luck of being at Ground Zero.

Give RAFLEET and myself a holler when you get to the Rockies. :) That's where WE LIVE. haha. By the way, all the good fishing spots are already taken! So you'll have to share one of ours. :)

I agree. I have been called a racist, bigot, homophobe, intolerant @$$h0le, and other things less accurate... LESS ACCURATE? LOL! Good one :)

Don't know why, but it spooked me.

The idea IS to spook you. Conspiracy theorists the world over have practiced this art for several years now. They are getting "better at it". I've been involved in this "anomalies community" for a long, long time running forums, communicating with these folks, arguing with them and at times even taking up their cause (for the purposes of learning of course, never to pass on fake information) and over the years I think I've gotten a pretty good "feel" for the psychology of these folks. The point IS to scare you. A long time ago it was the survivalists being taken to task by the media, and the REASON for this if it isn't clear now, that there are anti-gun forces out there that simply want to make the right wing look bad. So, the infiltrated the groups and brought them down a few levels. It took a long time to show this to individuals, but we've managed to show it. I think Rafleet can even attest to this somewhat. Now, we have folks who simply like to cause panic, and are truely anarchists at heart. They WANT the world to end. They WANT people to panic. They WANT the world to come apart at the seams, stocks to crash, people to suffer, and above all they want complete anarchy to reign. The end of the world scenario is a deep dish of chocolate ice cream to them. ANYTHING they can do to make you DOUBT yourself, your faith, your world, your country, your very existence gives them a feeling of power over you.

It is for this reason that I'm even paying any attention to this thread. Normally, I'd have moved on, but there is something in my blood that just IRKS the hell out of me when people simply dismiss this sort of thing as "all kooks" and lump a lot of people together or worse, believe it without looking up the facts. In other words, those of us who are "survivalists", not unlike myself and RAFLEET, aren't kooks. We're dyed-in-the-wool, real, honest and down-to-earth people who look at things from the point of view that technology isn't what keeps us alive today, and that technology isn't what kept the human race alive in the past. The survival of the human race is something we all should be doing and thinking about. Dismissing these conspiracy folks, or their stories of death-asteroids is just as wrong though. They aren't people who are going to be there to HELP you along, if there IS a disaster, they will be there TAKING what you have. Furthermore, the asteroid scenario is REAL. Don't dismiss it, even if certain in-the-know scientists do that. It IS a real threat. An impact on this planet is something you ought to think about.

Remember Shoemake-Levy 9? That was the comet that was broken up into about 20-25 pieces as it passed Jupiter at some point in it's history, and was sucked up by Jupiter's gravity. One piece of that comet that hit Jupiter (all the pieces hit) produced more energy than ALL of the nuclear weapons on this planet put together and detonated at the same time. That WILL destory all life on this world. I would hope our destiny is something a little more than that of the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs had small brains and didn't understand what happened to them, we humans at least can conceive of such destruction, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

So, whether this Aussie guy is accurate or NOT is completely irrelevant, at least it makes you all THINK about it. That's good. What's bad is to simply be spooked by it and not bother to learn something new. :)

I guess that's all, this was a long message and my apologies for making it so long. Rick

[Cannoneer No. 4]

How is archy?

[JustPlainJoe]

Well, suppose this thing IS coming and that we all will be dead within 90 days. How would you guys live/alter your life knowing this?

I was just thinking about that and if we WOULD alter our lives knowing the end is here, why wouldn't we live that way even if it weren't?

Just a goofy "what if?" question...

I figured I'd live pretty much what I'm doing now even if
we are, in the words of Dr. Smith (Lost in Space), DOOMED!

No worries, mate! (How's THAT Dr. Garbage?)

[Rick.Donaldson]

Even if the government were attempting to quell potential civilian rioting that would occur with general knowledge of the "end of the world", there would be signs of massive constructions underground (the "Burrow") preparing to preserve a remnant for repopulating the world. This would be a noticeable drain on the economy. It ain't there.

You're preaaching to the choir, Swordmaker, I know this. I agree completely. I don't think there is anything like this in the works. ON THE OTHER HAND, I will say that open sourced intelligence says that many countries around us have LEARNED a quick and dirty lesson from both Iraq wars, and Afghanastan. That lesson is that the US can't, even with the BIGGEST bombs penetrate very far down. Thus, they are building large, underground facilities to protect their mission-essential military, and/or government personnel. Russia, China, North Korea are all doing this (do some searching, you will find this information in the news). Not that this has anything really to do with asteroids, but it could very well be the next line of thinking coming from the conspiracy folks. (In other words, "well, china, north korea and russia all have been building underground facilities! Why aren't WE!" kind of stuff.) Watch for it. :)

Consider: a world-wide consipracy of silence among astronomers and cosmologists may be possible (I doubt it... think of the egos) but how about a world-wide conspiracy of silence among BUREAUCRATS and POLITICIANS??? ...They haven't squealed! ...

Again, I agree completely. My one, main argument against any conspiracy theory that involves the US government, Illuminati, etc, etc, is that "Our government is full of people like you and I and even dumber-than-rock fools, who can't keep such a secret because they want to brag about it."

Certainly, we keep secrets related to National Security all the time and do it very well. But, secrets that remove rights from our people every chance they get? Secrets that incarcerate people for no reason? Secrets about the end of the world as we know it, and yet life goes on "as normal"? Not no way, not no how. I'd be screaming the truth from the top of a hill if I knew it to be so (that is, that the world is gonna end next Thursday or whenever)!

If this EOW event were nigh, would we have allowed the Space Shuttle to have been sidetracked by one little accident? Wouldn't we be building as many as we could in hopes of a technological breakthrough that would need transportation to space to save us all? The shuttle is grounded! Probably the shuttle would be ready to go, no matter what. However, they wouldn't be building as many as possible. Where we gonna go? Can't move 8 billion people in shuttles, and we do not have a lunar base, no station big enough to support more than a few people for a couple of months. Naw, the space program isn't going to spend money on moving us anywhere we haven't already been and know we can survive.

As to this "Dr. Gartrel" or whatever his name is, I don't know who he is. Never seen the name before this story came up. But you're right. Even idiots like me know that even if ALL the several THOUSAND pieces of space debris up there, and all the satellites, ISS and whatever else happens to fall all at the same time, the amount of matter added back to the planet will be almost nothing, and "gasses" and "radiation" is nothing compared to what hits us every day in the form of x-rays, cosmic radiation and so forth. If, for the sake of argument, a HUGE rock DOES hit us, the amount of dust and debris thrown into the atmosphere by that impact will far exceed anything that falls out of space. And it will cause dust in the air for months to darken or block out the sun. A kind of "nuclear winter" will ensue. But, that's the dangers of being in a shooting gallery like our solar system! Still IF he IS a scientist, he might have referred to "friction" instead of "drag" because a lot of people aren't really up on physics, but almost everyone understands "friction"... (shrugs).

Speaking of the satellites if...Why are the GPS satellites still working?

:) I think you got it. :) This is how we pick apart these sorts of theories. Bit by bit, piece by piece. That's an obvious error, one that can easily show that he's... well, to be blunt, FULL OF IT. :)

I think the test of this scenario is in the reports of the naval ships going to sea.

I don't think these things are in any way related, but, COULD BE, hence are used as "connecting items" in the conspiracy (that the government is keeping it quiet). In other words, you can go out on any day of the week and find stories to support whatever wild-assed theory you want, even if the material isn't really related. It takes a conspiracy to hold it together. Conspiracies usually can't be PROVEN.

But he only talks in vague riddles and then insults people who question him. He insists on a vow of anonymity, saying he will ONLY reveal his identity 3 days before impact.

If I haven't personally communicated with this guy myself in the past, I would be very, very surprised. Eventually, they all come through one of the web sites I frequent. Even so, ALL of these people have the exact same modus operandi, in that they will never reveal themselves (aliases are almost ALWAYS used). They will attack the questioners, especially if the questioner happens to be a "non-believer" in the person's theory, and those attacks range from personal attacks, to attempting to discredit someone's credentials (believe me, they have tried that on me numerous times) to simply calling someone names. It just depends on the level of maturity in these folks. For the most part that level of maturity falls somewhat short is just about all of them. They ALL go for the throat when they are proven wrong, or shown to be inconsistant with their data. They almost ALWAYS start squealing about how "you're PART OF THE CONSPIRACY" which in turn focuses on YOU instead of their theory. In other words, you're all learning a GREAT lesson from this :) Pay attention to the way they act. If you had a real, hard story, one that affects the world, are you really going to keep it a secret if you can name names and prove your data? I doubt it. My name is my REAL name. I stick by my statements with my name. If I'm stupid enough to post something that is wrong, then it is stuck to my NAME. I try very hard to verify any data I post. (Sometimes I'm wrong, but, we're all human... except the aliens that work for me in the basement).

:)

Pardon my ignorance folks, but if this thing is heading at us from due south and can only be seen from Austrailia, HOW in the world can Austrailia be the SAFEST place on earth?

technically speaking, something COULD come in from another hemisphere, and yet impact on another. That's possible, but given the fact that Keplerian physics WORKS, it is unlikely that anything would be coming "straight at us" anyway, and whatever the object is will be sighted long before its impact. Besides, CAN HE SEE it? I've not heard that anyone has SEEN anything yet. If we can't SEE it, the WE DON'T KNOW IT IS THERE. That's important. If there is a prediction of something hitting us, and yet no one has SHOWN US WHERE IT IS, then is probably ain't there. If this guy has seen it, show us the photographic evidence. It's not THAT damned difficult even with a small telescope to take a few pictures over a few nights, do a few calculations and figure out some keplerian elements that can be plugged into an orbital program to show the orbits of such objects...

This guy is seeking attention. Desperately. I don't know what chemicals he spent all those years working around in his laboratory, but he really should be warning people about the permanent damage caused by THEM.

If you check my other LONG post (sorry these are long) you will note I mentioned that most of these folks are "anarchists". For some reason, the MAJORITY Of them seem to believe that it's ok to use any sort of drug to "expand your mind", and want to legalize a lot of those drugs as well. I'm betting there were no drugs in his lab, and I doubt there is a lab at all, and that those drugs you mentioned were all part and parcel of his "youth" (which, he is likely still rather young. The majority of these conspiracy folks are in their 20s, some in their 30s. A few are older, but usually well-known, like Hoagland).

[Blood of Tyrants]

His strange obsession with "TONS OF TOXIC FUMES" as a few dozen satellites fall back into the atmosphere are the rantings of a lunatic, not the reasonings of a scientist who has knowledge that of TEOTWAWKI. A few tons of toxic gases released and dispersed and probably distroyed as they re-eneter the atmosphere at 17,000 mph should the the last of his worries.

As for his name, anyone could go online to a university and do a quick search and come up with a name of a person with any type of degree they wanted to impress others with.

[Riley]

When was the last time you heard of SEVEN carriers and all their support ships heading at at ONCE? Have you got a link for that?

I believe we STILL haven't heard of this.

You have now.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146624/posts

I stand corrected on Hoagland's first name. As regards his stuff, I am neither a reflexive skeptic or true believer. Such matters as he investigates ought to have nothing to do with 'belief', only with evidence and investigation. He seems to see anomalous things as 'alien architecture', rather than 'what the hell is that' and 'what ELSE could it be'. In spite of this however, I appreciate that there are people looking for that kind of stuff. I haven't personally explored the surfaces of the Moon and Mars, so I can't say that it is free of someone else's garbage. I suspect that there isn't anything there, but I don't absolutely know that. You won't hear me call him or Friedman 'crackpots'. I just think that they're a little bit predisposed towards certain conclusions, which they also happen to be making a living off of.

[Rick.Donaldson]

No one by the name of Hammermaster is known to the astronomy department, and the description given by the caller to the station of the object -- an automobile-sized piece of a small car from a piece of the larger Trilene meteor -- was clearly bogus, Smith added.

hahaha. Did you all see this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146792/posts

[JustPlainJoe]

Guys, this has been a FUN thread. I've really
enjoyed it. Now I guess it's time for MY confession....

I never REALLY had any genuine Titanium Umbrellas to sell!
I was only pretending. If anybody's sent me money already,
I promise to send it back.

I DO have some used knives though, if anybody's interested!

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yep. It is a duplicate of this post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146755/posts

[Blood of Tyrants]

If anyone sent you the money, get some aluminum spray paint and an ordinary umbrella and give them what they deserve.

[Rick.Donaldson]

I think I corrected myself on that at some point (yes, I have read the news articles this morning), if I didn't correct it, I'm sorry. Also, while we have SEVEN out of the 12, I don't see what difference it makes, or how it is connected.

As to Hoagland.... I have nothing against his ideas in general. My personal beef with him is something I won't go into here. I've spent a lot of time "debunking" him on several issues though, and I'm right, he's wrong. That's all there is to say about it. I've dealt with him personally, and his "ethics" leaves something to be desired. I will NOT say that his ideas are "stupid". He might, after all be RIGHT. But, I WILL say we will never KNOW if is he right, one way or the other without physically visiting Mars and LOOKING with human eyes ourselves, for those things he 'sees' there.

As for Stanton Friedman, I've talked at length with him as well, about various things related to the UFO world. I believe he has some very good data (TOP SECRET: Majestic book about "The Majestic 12") and I wouldn't put him off as being a kook either. At least he, in direct comparison to Hoagland has his SCIENCE right. Hoagland on the other hand relies on a lot of non-scientific explanations, "Masonic relationships" and other nonsense stuff about hyperdimensional physics that can't actually be proven.

[Rick.Donaldson]

I never REALLY had any genuine Titanium Umbrellas to sell!

could you.. umm, mail that check back to me? Ok? :)

[bitt]

bttt

[JustAnAmerican]

I am of a mind that even if by some odd turn of thought this was in the works, I can't really say that I would want to know about it. Unless of course there was some small chance that what I could do would have some affect on the outcome. I would point out that if this was going to happen and word did get out, then the mass panic alone would probably be much worse then the event itself.

[JustPlainJoe]

I was thinking kindof 'how would you treat life if you knew the earth was gonna be blown to smithereens in one month'? Would you treat people better? Would you spend more time with your loved ones? Or would you waste your time telling cynical riddles and hurling insults on the internet?

[Riley]

Speaking of 'burrows', where exactly does the notion come from, apart from movies like 'Deep Impact', that one would be any safer underground?

This isn't just a 'bigger nuclear strike'. Personally, I'd just as soon take my chances on a bald hilltop on very high ground, rather than deal with the massive ground shock wave that's ring the Earth like a bell and possibly collapse even reinforced subterranean structures.

What we'd be looking at is an event that is part massive earthquake, part Tsunami, part falling debris and part atmospheric occlusion.

Ideally, I'd be in the mountains somewhere above the possibility of any seismic wave threat, and near the mouth of a cave in case debris starts falling out of the sky. I would in no case go farther into the cave than I could dig myself out of, should a collapse occur.

Having overhead cover is probably a really good idea. Being way underground, might not be.

I don't think that there's anything to this, at this time. It will happen eventually. It has many times in the past.
It makes for an interesting intellectual exercise though.

Suppose you're the President. You have been briefed that such an event is going to take place. When do you notify the public, or do you, at all? You can't possibly shelter them all. Is there a benefit to the public from notifying them? What are most people going to do with that warning, besides jump in their cars with the family pictures a day or two before 'impact day' and try to drive somewhere, making the roads useless to all?

On the other hand, the object is going to become public knowledge before it strikes. It isn't going to sneak up on us. Withholding such knowledge would be disatrous for not just a particular government, but for the concept of government.

[Riley]

I never REALLY had any genuine Titanium Umbrellas to sell!

It's okay Joe, my money is exactly as real as your umbrellas are.