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Mel Gibson says his wife could be going to hell
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| 02/10/04
| Jeannette Walls
Posted on 02/10/2004 7:02:28 AM PST by evets
Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. There is no salvation for those outside the Church, Gibson replied. I believe it. He elaborated: Put it this way. My wife is a saint. Shes a much better person than I am. Honestly. Shes, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And its just not fair if she doesnt make it, shes better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.
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To: ladylib
Well, this "my religion is better than your religion" thing works both ways I guess. I was taught that salvation comes from God, and that faith is the fundamental requirement for salvation. I didn't know that, as a Catholic, I was not going to heaven until a SBC brother of a co-worker told me so.
To: chance33_98
Hehehehe. I just got it. Very cute!
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:23:54 AM PST
by
EggsAckley
(..................**AMEND** the Fourteenth Amendment......(There, is THAT better?).................)
To: VaBthang4
Around here we call that a cult.No, no, I do NOT believe that Catholics are on par with cult members. They are Christians, they are practicing Christianity, the oldest form of it, too. However, while their faith in the Bible and its teachings is not misplaced at all, its faith in men is far too strong and must be closely reexamined.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:24:13 AM PST
by
Future Snake Eater
("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
To: txzman
(BTW I grew up Catholic and remain a christian)Good for you. Mel should quit while he is ahead.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:24:20 AM PST
by
swampfox98
(Beyond 2004 - Chaos)
To: evets
For what it's worth, Catholic teaching is that there is no salvation except through Jesus Christ, and no salvation except through His Church.
HOWEVER. God gives grace to whom He will. Thus virtuous pagans, Jews, and Protestants may well, according to Catholic belief, be extended this grace.
Catholics believe that grace is largely channeled through the Sacraments, as established by Jesus in the Bible. But there is extra-sacramental grace as well. Thus Catholics pray for Christians, Jews, theists, believers, and all people to be saved. It's easier in the Church, but it's possible outside of--yet channeled through--the Church.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:24:28 AM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: redlipstick
http://www.catholic.com/library/Salvation_Outside_the_Church.asp
However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and returned to live in Catholic unity.
To: Petronski
I am a lifelong Catholic and spent 9 years in Catholic school, and I was never taught that you must be Catholic to be saved. Never.I spent 11 years in Catholic school, and was never taught that other Christians or Jews weren't going to heaven. Now those who don't believe are another story.
I attended a class in which we studied other religious denominations and what they believed, again was never taught they were going to hell.
Now on the other hand I've been told plenty of times I'm going to hell merely for being catholic.
To: Future Snake Eater
This is so weird. The official RCC position (2004, not medieval) is the only mainstream denomination that says anyone - even nonchristians - can go to heaven. Even Buddhists. Read JPII's books. Says so.
To: evets
IN FACT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ARTICLE..MEL HAS STATED HIS WHOLE FAMILY ATTENDS MASS AND HIS WIFE IS A DEVOUT CATHOLIC... WHEN DID SHE CHANGE?
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:25:20 AM PST
by
missyme
To: missyme
This article taken out of context......No, it was not taken out of context. Mel was asked a difficult question and he answered it forthrightly. It is what he was taught, presumably by his father, and it is what he believes to this day (unless you think he is just hamming it up in the interviews to drum up controversy for the film).
"Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation."
To: Petronski; onyx
There is no salvation for those outside the Church, Gibson replied.
I am have some very dear friends that are Catholic
and some very dear friends of all denominations that are saved and are going to heaven.
Mr. Gibson and his Church are wrong on this one.
I'll leave it at that.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:25:42 AM PST
by
WKB
(3!~)
To: King Black Robe
Dittos!!!!!!!
60 Min tried this on Sunday.
Old playbook.
To: ReaganRevolution
Now on the other hand I've been told plenty of times I'm going to hell merely for being catholic.Yep, me too.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:27:26 AM PST
by
EllaMinnow
(If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
To: Future Snake Eater
Papal policies and edicts come from a man, who, when it all boils down, is just as fallible as the rest of us.You're making a distinction where none exists. Obviously, Catholics believe that the Pope and church leaders are "divinely inspired" in the same way you believe the writers of the Bible were.
I fail to see how your belief is sound while mine is not.
To: Future Snake Eater
Several other religions feel that if you aren't one of them you will burn in h*ll.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:28:13 AM PST
by
Jaded
(Personally, I think they should bring back flogging and burning at the stake. /so)
To: WKB
Mel's wrong, but I don't think he's quoting Church teachings properly/accurately.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:28:38 AM PST
by
Petronski
(John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
To: af_vet_1981
I would say that we can be disturbed by this quite a bit, but the fact is that many Conservative people, most I would daresay will watch movies featuring people who whether it's active or not in that movie, stand against everything we believe in. It would seem that perhaps Mr. Gibson deserves as much grace as those movie stars we watch despite their crazy leftism.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:29:00 AM PST
by
Keyes2000mt
(Wearing the Kilt with Pride)
To: epluribus_2
Does he say that even if they don't believe in Christ as the Savior they can still go to Heaven? I find that REAL hard to swallow.
Regardless, Gibson practices a very old form of Catholicism. I believe they even still give the sermons in Latin at mass in his church. So, even if there is a new philosophy, it wouldn't surprise me that Gibson doesn't stick with it.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:29:06 AM PST
by
Future Snake Eater
("Oh boy, I can't wait to eat that monkey!"--Abe Simpson)
To: RipSawyer
Every time someone writes something down, it can be altered. Over centuries it can (and has) been altered according to man's interpretation. Like it or not. We're human and our minds do not recall every nuance. I'm still waiting for the release of the Dead Sea Scrolls that are locked up in the Vatican. Not that it would make any difference in my interpretation of this written word, but that it will be interesting to see what they are keeping hidden.
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:29:38 AM PST
by
sarasota
To: evets
Ouchie!
(Pulling up a chair, with the popcorn, to watch the impending train wreck!)
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:29:52 AM PST
by
Maigrey
("I wasn't disengaged. I was bored as hell and my mother told me never to interrupt." -Dubya)
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