The Hobbit Hole VI - And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...

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Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...

• First thread: New Zealander builds Hobbit hole
• Second thread: The New Hobbit Hole
• Third thread: The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads! (Congratulations, we filled it up!)
• Fourth Thread: The Hobbit Hole IV - The Road Goes Ever On...
• Fifth Thread: The Hobbit Hole V - Where Many Paths and Errands Meet...

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.

[Fedora]

> If they had to beef up Eowyn's crush on Aragorn, they ought to have closed it off.

Yep. If they hadn't added all that extra stuff with Aragorn and Arwen they could've easily done that. I didn't mind the parts that were derived from the appendix of RotK, but the extra scene with Aragorn falling over the cliff was totally unnecessary and wasted a lot of time that could've gone into other scenes that were cut out.

> And don't get me started on Faramir. Someone suggested to me that Jackson and company just don't quite understand nobility and I think they might be right...

Well, I don't mean to get you started, but now you've got my curiosity piqued, LOL! I'd be interested to hear why you say that, if it's not too dangerous to get you riled up on this issue :)

[Fedora]

Thanks! :)

[osagebowman]

Evening Hair; thanks for the update, I'm kinda like you and thedad, why can't they put it back the way it was, but happens all the time. That is quite a project, would have taken you Ecurbh & Ramius quite a while 'to do it yourselves'. Hope it turns out for the best.

[JenB]

Pinging my fellow Faramir fan to put in any of the points I leave out...

In the books, Faramir is a noble guy. He's a pretty good warrior and also intelligent and somewhat sensitive. This is in contrast with Boromir, who is Mr. Musclebound, quite frankly.

The actions he took in Two Towers (the movie) are completely incompatible with his character as established in the book. He treats the hobbits badly, he hinders their errand, he does basically everything but take the Ring himself (admitedly the Extended Edition helps here a little)

And he doesn't really get the chance in RotK (movie, again) to redeem himself, being mostly-dead for most of the movie. The ride across the Pelennor was heroic and noble and stuff, but also kinda stupid. He didn't come across as much of a strategist. Just a poor abused son. (Which is also interesting and he very much needs a hug, but that's beside the point).

In the book, his scenes with Eowyn help show his character... which is then cemented at Aragorn's coronation, where he's clearly helping establish Aragorn as the rightful ruler of Gondor. Anyone think Denethor would have done that?

This is kind of hard to portray on film, admittedly. There's rather more tension if Faramir might take the ring, if he hauls them off to Osgiliath... and so the filmmakers miss their chance to have one human character (besides Aragorn) who demonstrates the strength not to take the Ring. Makes you wonder why they think so little of Men, huh?

And Faramir's driving motivation is made out to be that he wants to please his father, not that - I think the book supports - he is a noble man and guided by what he sees as his duty.

Hmm. Much more blather than I'm sure you wanted. Oh well!

[osagebowman]

g'nad: catching up, hope the sickness passes quickly. Prayers sent.

[HairOfTheDog]

Oh the rocks won't move.... you couldn't dislodge them with a truck.... they are huge heavy rocks...

OK Here it is all washed off with the hose so there isn't dirt all over the back wall!

And this is the end of the dock ramp.... where Dad wants to cut off the ramp flush with the post (that odd angle there that fit the old bulkhead) and then build a square box landing filled with gravel and pavers to make the sidewalk level with the walkway and stable.

[HairOfTheDog]

Ooops - s'posed to ping ~you~ to the above!

[JenB]

I'm going home and hitting the books... I'll be back on tomorrow afternoon. Can't be bothered to take home my computer.

[Fedora]

> Hmm. Much more blather than I'm sure you wanted. Oh well!

Not at all!--I thought it was a very sharp and interesting analysis. I had noticed some of the points you make, but you caught some things I missed, notably the part about how Faramir doesn't get an opportunity to redeem himself in the movie and is reduced to an abused son; and also the point about how Faramir's motivation is nobility in the book vs. trying to please his father in the movie. I agree with your gist. One thing I'd add that fits with what you're saying is that IMO in the book Faramir's nobility redeems Boromir's mistake, whereas in the movie Faramir flirts with making the same mistake, which I think significantly changes and detracts from the character. I noticed that they also made Frodo somewhat less noble in the movie, but paradoxically with Sam they skipped the scene where he's tempted by the Ring, which I thought was a good scene that added to Sam's character. There was a cartoon version of RotK which included that scene, and which also portrayed Eowyn's battle with the Nazgul Lord more accurately.

[SuziQ]

The powder doesn't clump up that way.

I hate when that happens! LOL! Next time I use Hamburger Helper I'll try that tip. The kids like the Lasagna, but SSQ won't touch the stuff. He can't stand the smell of the parmesan cheese! I'll make it for them when I know he won't be home for supper.

[SuziQ]

The bulkhead looks great! That single course stepped back from the wall would be a great sitting place to look out over the water.

[osagebowman]

2JM; that is very cool; Joshua looks pretty proud there.

[RosieCotton]

Faramir's motivation is nobility in the book vs. trying to please his father in the movie.

Yeah, that about sums it up. In the book, he's one of the purest, noblest men...all the good traits of the various Knights of the Round Table rolled into one fantastic man. He's someone you're almost in awe of...not to mention a great sweet talker. ;-)

In the movie, he's more or less "Boromir-lite", and you feel more pity than awe. He's still an interesting character, but not at all the SAME character - and for those of us who are big fans of the book Faramir, that's a real shame - or should I say "crime"?

There was a cartoon version of RotK which included that scene, and which also portrayed Eowyn's battle with the Nazgul Lord more accurately.

Do not mention the name of Bakshi in our fair Hole!

Oops...

[RosieCotton]

It really looks nice! I like it. The stairs are so cool...wish I could do something sorta like them in my backyard. ;-)

Unfortunately it might be a bit tricky maneuvering a barge down there...

[osagebowman]

How high does the tide usually get? Is it to the first or second line of stones, or is there usually a beach? Very impressive and absolutely better than concrete.

[Wneighbor]

Nice lookin' bulkhead you got there. I was wonderin' what it was gonna look like in the end!

Good evening.

[2Jedismom]

Hey! I been wondering what you were up to! And OT too! Hadn't seen neither of you all day!

[Wneighbor]

I'm pretty swamped at work right now. I may be like Ruthy until I get this all resolved. Or I lose my job. Whichever happens first!

Adventure of the day - we had a chemical spill at the building next to ours. We were quarantined in the building this afternoon. That was the good part of my day.

[Overtaxed]

Oh...up to this and that. Got some new CD's from Green Linnet. Ever hear of Gerald Trimble? I'm going to have to get Celtic Cantigas when the credit card cycles over. :)

Been cruising around looking for tunes. For some reason this reminded me of you.

[2Jedismom]

Whoa! Sounds like a bit of drama!

I nearly drove off the road 'cause of the windy weather.

I just got done seasoning my cast iron skillets.