[Fedora]

> Hmm. Much more blather than I'm sure you wanted. Oh well!

Not at all!--I thought it was a very sharp and interesting analysis. I had noticed some of the points you make, but you caught some things I missed, notably the part about how Faramir doesn't get an opportunity to redeem himself in the movie and is reduced to an abused son; and also the point about how Faramir's motivation is nobility in the book vs. trying to please his father in the movie. I agree with your gist. One thing I'd add that fits with what you're saying is that IMO in the book Faramir's nobility redeems Boromir's mistake, whereas in the movie Faramir flirts with making the same mistake, which I think significantly changes and detracts from the character. I noticed that they also made Frodo somewhat less noble in the movie, but paradoxically with Sam they skipped the scene where he's tempted by the Ring, which I thought was a good scene that added to Sam's character. There was a cartoon version of RotK which included that scene, and which also portrayed Eowyn's battle with the Nazgul Lord more accurately.

[RosieCotton]

Faramir's motivation is nobility in the book vs. trying to please his father in the movie.

Yeah, that about sums it up. In the book, he's one of the purest, noblest men...all the good traits of the various Knights of the Round Table rolled into one fantastic man. He's someone you're almost in awe of...not to mention a great sweet talker. ;-)

In the movie, he's more or less "Boromir-lite", and you feel more pity than awe. He's still an interesting character, but not at all the SAME character - and for those of us who are big fans of the book Faramir, that's a real shame - or should I say "crime"?

There was a cartoon version of RotK which included that scene, and which also portrayed Eowyn's battle with the Nazgul Lord more accurately.

Do not mention the name of Bakshi in our fair Hole!

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