(Great news, BTW, and long overdue)
Posted on 04/11/2025 10:10:59 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
Under Joe Biden, approximately 8,000 service members were discharged from the military for refusing to take the COVID-19 vaccine.
In January 2025, President Trump ordered a full reinstatement to any service member who was expelled from the armed forces due to the COVID vaccine mandate, restoring them to their former rank with full pay.
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth joined Fox News to discuss efforts to welcome back these service members who were discarded and treated so badly by the Biden administration.
Hegseth stated, “We’re psyched. This is one of the made promises kept from President Trump. We have followed through at the Defense Department. If you are a person of conscience, a person of faith who believe that you shouldn’t have to take an experimental vaccine in order to serve in our military, we will apologize to you.”
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
It may have been different when you were in but I saw a lot of it. One of our more infamous cases of a refusal to obey an unlawful order was when a SNCO correctly refused a direct order from an O-6. The SNCO was given a Letter of Reprimand which would have effectively ended his career but he knew his stuff. He refused the LOR and asked for a court martial as was his right.
The court exonerated him on day two.
The O-6 was done. The word on the street was that the MAJCOM and numbered Air Force were livid when they found out he was told that the order was unlawful and that he should rescind it. His real crime was that he didn't warn the Wing Commander that it was going to blow up. The Wing Commander was being reviewed for his next star when it all went down. He got the star but went forward with a cloud.
The O-6 retired not long after. It was clear that he wasn't going to get promoted and no one was lining up his next position.
A junior JAG captain got slapped but was cut some slack because he was so new. Two senior JAG captains didn't make major and while no one could definitively say that was the reason, it was odd that both of them didn't get promoted in the same promotion cycle.
If you don’t have a copy but count on the online copy that the military maintains you will discover in the future that those records will come up missing or damaged or incomplete. Ask around for the people making claims from Vietnam, Iraq, etc.
You never heard any of your fellow airmen refusing the Clot shot?
First of all, it isn't a vaccine as was proven when it didn't work. It was an experiment, and it's an unlawful order. The military brass knew that already from the Anthrax shots, when pilots especially came with lawyers and smacked around the military brass who had given the unlawful order.
It was experimental. It didn't work. People already had immunity, etc., and yet the order was still given.
I separated from the USAF in 1981, so no.
“It absolutely is the duty of the subordinate. An unlawful order is not to be given, and is not to be obeyed.”
And that’s the problem most don’t understand about determining a lawful order versus unlawful. The general rule is service members have a duty to obey lawful orders. But there is also a duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders. That is, orders that a person of ordinary sense and understanding would know to be unlawful. At the time these orders were given there was no proof of anything that would be considered perminent danger in the taking of the vaccines other than the used car the media was feeding people about their contents, i.e., a lie. Therefore, it was not an unlawful order to be required to take the vaccines as per the order coming down from the top. The military takes many different types of injections yearly or for special locations even today.
Like I mentioned, at the time the only more serious reaction to the injections that happened with any regularity was anaphylaxis which a person can get getting a allergy shot or antibiotic injection.
The other two that were repaired with oral medication were myocarditis and pericarditis, which were very rare.
But going after people, especially lower ranking personnel that were ordered to order their troops to take the vaccine, is rediculous. There was no known danger in taking it in the early 90’s so it would be no different than taking a regular flu shot that everyone seems to ignore. Punishing them for following a lawful order at the time is being a Monday morning quarterback. And the offended members had the opportunity to separate if they wished. No harm, no foul.
As for fraud, waste and abuse, not at the time. So going after everyone up the chain starting from the lowest level is more fraud, waste, and especially abuse than you are referring to if I understand your entry.
wy69
It's an experiment, illegally covered under an Emergency Use Authorization despite alternative treatments and prior immunity that would negate the EUA. Outside of that, once Congress exempted themselves and illegal aliens, the order was unlawful.
As for "The military takes many different types of injections yearly or for special locations even today.", those are not experimental treatments. The manufacturers are liable for them, unlike the MurdeRNA shots.
And the offended members had the opportunity to separate if they wished. No harm, no foul.
No foul? You're kidding, right? Some lost pensions. Service members people invested time, energy, and effort in a career. Enlisted members sign a contract which the military reneged on.
Your attitude of "and the offended members had the opportunity to separate if they wished" is exactly the mentality that breeds distrust of government and the military. Good luck running a military with that mindset. No one looking at one or two tours would take that risk and certainly no one planning on making a career of the military would either. Who's going to join a profession where you could be told months before retirement that you either get injection raped with some experimental concoction or lose your pension when you walk away?
It was an unlawful order and from the top down they need to face charges.
I get into this discussion every time it comes up about the vaccines in the early 90’s and information still says the same things.
“You don’t need proof of injury to refuse an order to be a lab rat.”
Covid vacinations, like I mentioned, had been around since 1970. If the media had not lied about the contents of the vaccines, and that they were no more dangerous than current flu shots and allergy injections at the time, no one would have said anything. If people wanted to buy into what the media was saying, that can’t be helped because no one wants to take them on. Even when they lie to get their rags bought off the stand.
An unlawful order has to have some substance of fact to be unlawful. Article 92 provides the following guidance regarding unlawful orders: “Lawfulness. A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it. Insubordination is when a service member willfully disobeys the lawful orders of a superior officer.”
Like I mentioned before, if the order was given from the command all the way to the POTUS determines that the reason for the order was for the mission and does not harm priorty properties or personnel, and at that time, it didn’t, then it was a lawful order and failing to obey it fell into article 92 of the UCMJ which could have constituted time in jail. The members were allowed to discharge at more than bad conduct, they were released of their commitment of the military they signed the contract for. They were fed and paid up to that point. If they chose not to follow the order, that’s on them. And since they could be released, then it was their decision to separate.
And that’s the bottom line. I’m sorry you didn’t like the order, but I gave you the facts from when it was started and why it was used. So those that disobeyed, chose to and were discharged. You can’t come back 40 years later and hindsight someone into chains for doing what they were told. And 1991 was the transfer from Reagan to Bush I. And both them are dead. You’ve got no one to get. And I’m done since I’m just repeating what I previous said. Good luck.
wy69
The patent and the lawsuits says otherwise.
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/moderna-sues-pfizer-biontech-over-covid-19-vaccine-tech
We're done here. Your gaslighting and propaganda is unbelievable.
The MurdeRNA "vaccine", if it had been "around since 1970", would not have been under an Emergency Use Authorization and would have been manufactured prior to the indemnification of vaccine manufacturers in the 1980s, making the manufacturer fully liable. The patent would have expired since then and other manufacturers would have been making and testing generic versions.
Service members, who had taken all their legitimate vaccines, were right to refuse to take this experimental shot, which is not a vaccine, regardless of what the pharmaceutical korporations and the CDC change their definition to. It's been proven not to work. It was an experiment at best.
The MurdeRNA shot contains RNA that was modified in lab and other than them using Simian 40 in the process, it absolutely is NOT the same as vaccines from the 1970s.
Go peddle your propaganda with Dugway Duke.
“We’re done here. Your gaslighting and propaganda is unbelievable.”
Good. Covid is a flu. I hope you never get the flu whether it’s any one of the four types defined. But it’s all the flu. And the vaccines for them have been around probably before you were born. Just because something new comes out like it and is treated like it, it all gets back to the duck theory:
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
Maybe you can argue with the Mayo Clinic. Here’s a source:
Have a good life. You won’t if you buy into propaganda sent out by the media which is what you appear to have done playing word games and not getting facts with the reality of the situation or the topic.
You can get in your 2 cents from this, but I won’t be answering to you again as you teach me nothing I don’t already know and much you don’t since the definition of the vaccine has nothing to do with the chain of command and how discipline is handled in the military and why. I was the one to say it was a different world. You can’t see it and your only retort is to apply a civilian thought process to it. That threatens the mission when safeguards are removed, both ways.
wy69
It's not my application of a civilian thought process. Hegseth is directing the outreach to bring them back. The military brass refused to.
So said the Nazis who were tried at Nuremberg.
One cannot be compelled to obey an unlawful order.
(That none of these service members were tried under the UCMJ for disobedience of a lawful order is all the evidence we need of how "lawful" such an order could have been.)
Then why weren't they court-martialed?
How many unlawful orders could you have been given?
“Then why weren’t they court-martialed?”
There are more ways to be dischraged without a full court martial. What the soldiers refusing the order got was an Administrative Discharge. If your command seeks to separate you, it is required they notify you in writing on the basis for the separation and the recommended characterization of service. There are three characterizations of administrative separation:
Honorable
General Under Honorable Conditions
Under Other than Honorable Conditions (“OTH” or “UOTHC”)
General under honorable was what most of them got. Some, who had other negative problems that led to the determination they should be separated in the best interest of both and the corp got OTH commenserate with their added misbehaviors.
wy69
In Tech School we marched to class every weekday for six months, with briefcases we each purchased for ourselves. Thinking back, I probably spoke face-to-face with an officer only three or four other than getting a box checked in the CBPO.
I understand that the military wanted these people discharged, but critical to a trial is both evidence of a crime and the presumption that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.
The mass discharge of all of these military personnel was more indicative of the government and military brass strong-arming its members into taking this shot than it was of these military members committing any offense punishable under the UCMJ.
“I understand that the military wanted these people discharged...”
Unlike civilian communities, military commanders exercise discretion in deciding whether an offense should be charged and how the offenders should be punished. The disposition decision is one of the most important and difficult decisions facing a commander. The commander has a number of options available for the resolution of disciplinary problems. Refusing an order in the military can be very difficult to reason out as the military law is different from civilian procedures.
When the member signed the contract of enlistment, he/she crossed over into a world of discipline far greater than the civilian world. It is based upon success and not acceptance of completion of the order. The military actually did them a favor by offering them the opportunity to choose discharge. The information they had on the vaccines concerning their makeup and contents, the main reason used by the members for not taking it, was incorrect so they had no proof of a permanent danger of the injections at that time. And not any more now.
Charlie uses bio warfare not neccessarily to kill as much as disable the member making him/her not want to fight. And the vaccines in question were never to stop the virus but to make it easier when you got it by lessoning symptoms like fever, headaches, muscle aches...etc. And if we were to keep our military machine rolling, they were needed to protect the nation. It was a matter of evidence. There was none other than a few allergies and/or unusual cases that displayed an actual danger from the vaccine.
So the government decided that the mission was important enough to use a drug that at that time was not dangerous to a vast majority of the people that took it. And those that refused were not punished and given an opportunity to leave the service. They had the option of a court mrtial, but refused and just left. And a lot of money and time of waste thrown out the window with that in training, equipment, and future plans for the UIS protection was recognized.
wy69
They held our paychecks until we took it.
If I may ask, when was this and what vax?
I personally know two in the 90s who would not take the anthrax vax and were removed from service. One was a pilot very close to retirement.
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