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Pardons. Can the President pardon ANYONE?
Constitution Annotated ^ | 03/21/2025 | Rumpelstiltskin

Posted on 03/21/2025 12:58:56 PM PDT by BigB60

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: biden; constitution; scotus; trump
When I reread this section, it seems(I stress seems) that the pardon power of the President can only be used within the context of his C&C and Executive responsibilities. In other words, does the President have the power to pardon murderers, thieves, arsonists, etc. outside the scope of the Executive Branch? One could argue, "No." Hmmmmm
1 posted on 03/21/2025 12:58:56 PM PDT by BigB60
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To: BigB60

The key phrase here is “Offences against the United States.” In constitutional interpretation, this language has been understood to refer specifically to federal crimes rather than state crimes. The Constitution establishes a federal system where powers are divided between the national government and state governments. “Offences against the United States” specifically refers to violations of federal law, as opposed to violations of state laws which would be “offences against” individual states. This reading aligns with the Tenth Amendment principle that powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states.

One could interpret it differently, but the supreme court has historically read it this way.


2 posted on 03/21/2025 1:08:59 PM PDT by Wayne07
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To: BigB60

The Founders sometimes used one big long sentence when several small sentences would have been clearer. But, yeah. The president’s power to pardon federal offenses is without limit. Except for impeachment, of course.

And that’s always bothered me. The Founders fought a war to get rid of a king. Then they gave the president a king-like power to pardon. Some check should have been added. Perhaps a pardon could be vetoed by 2/3 of the Senate.

If I ever invent a time machine, I’m going to mention this to George, Ben, and the rest of the guys.
🙂


3 posted on 03/21/2025 1:13:15 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It’s morning in America. Again.)
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To: BigB60

Biden thought he absolute power and so did his auto pen.


4 posted on 03/21/2025 1:21:58 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: BigB60

The article also seems to argue that pardons or commutations cannot be granted where no such offense against the United States exists. This throws the pre-emptive pardons of the J6 committee members and others (Fauci, etc.) into doubt.


5 posted on 03/21/2025 1:44:36 PM PDT by T. Rustin Noone
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To: BigB60

I agree.

It’s for crimes against the United States.


6 posted on 03/21/2025 1:44:55 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: Wayne07

SO if there are tax issues, then he can pardon federal tax evasion but the States are still entitled to their pound of flesh.


7 posted on 03/21/2025 1:57:40 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( )
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To: Hieronymus

Keep in mind, this was written when there was no income tax


8 posted on 03/21/2025 2:12:35 PM PDT by RainMan ((Democrats ... making war against America since April 12, 1861))
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To: BigB60

Schiffty got a pardon for his crimes. What crimes?


9 posted on 03/21/2025 2:27:56 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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To: BigB60

Only if they were convicted of a Federal charge in a Federal court. The president cannot pardon those convicted of a State charge in a State court.


10 posted on 03/21/2025 2:30:31 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: T. Rustin Noone

It does nothing of the sort. There is nothing in that clause that limits his power to issue pardons for federal crimes. There’s no requirement of the charge be laid, that a trial be arranged, that a conviction be obtained. You’re swimming upstream here. Nobody else interprets it your way. Are you upset that the J6 patriots got pardoned?


11 posted on 03/21/2025 2:40:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: RainMan

Yes, but with the tax some things are Federal and some are State.

Delaware needs to hunt Hunter.


12 posted on 03/21/2025 2:52:45 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( )
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To: RainMan

Yes, but with the tax some things are Federal and some are State.

Delaware needs to hunt Hunter.


13 posted on 03/21/2025 2:52:47 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( )
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To: BigB60

can pardon and federal crime


14 posted on 03/21/2025 2:53:43 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Leaning Right
It's subject to judicial interpretation like any other part of the constitution. It's pretty clear that a president can't give carte blanche for future crimes. There is also case law that a person must accept the pardon for it to be valid, and accepting a pardon at least creates a perception in most people that the accused was guilty of something. There is speculation that a judge could rule pardons can't be legally issued before a person is charged. The only way to test that theory is bring the charges.
15 posted on 03/21/2025 3:02:32 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Robert DeLong

Right....FEDERAL Crime only..


16 posted on 03/21/2025 3:10:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Wayne07

I understand the not being able to pardon state crimes, but are all crimes that are federal fall under the Executive branch in Art. II? For example, Bob Menendez was found guilty of bribery, fraud, and false statements. The DOJ, not NJ, brought the indictment. Can Menendez be pardoned? Within the context of the Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 section, there is a reasonable case to be made that he could not. He was not part of the Executive branch.

The run-on sentence in the clause really makes the case that our forefathers really were limiting the pardon power to strictly the Executive branch, not a broad brush for all of the federal government. Gov. Rod Blagojevich was impeached by the IL state assembly. His crimes were associated with the U.S. Senate. Trump pardoned him. So the last part of the clause is ignored or doesn’t apply? It seems the forefathers would have frowned on this.

Clearly, the Biden family pardons etc. are problematic because many of his pardons are for future indictments. What
“offenses” were against the U.S. at the time of the pardon?

I’m having doubts about how this power is used and how SCOTUS intrepets the clause. Good comments on this post.


17 posted on 03/21/2025 8:50:23 PM PDT by BigB60 (C. S. Lewis loves hobbits)
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To: DesertRhino
Last question first; no, I am thrilled that the J6 patriots were pardoned. As a former Capitol Police patrolman, no injustice in recent memory infuriated me more than the J6 protestors being hunted down and incarcerated.

My question was whether the J6 Committee members who were also pardoned (without charges of any kind) would be vulnerable to prosecution if the “preemptive pardons” who proven to be improperly issued.

18 posted on 03/23/2025 5:42:04 PM PDT by T. Rustin Noone
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