Posted on 09/11/2022 2:26:03 PM PDT by whyilovetexas111
Ukraine has made some impressive progress on the battlefield, but let us hold the applause for a moment: It’s too soon to tell whether Ukraine’s ongoing counteroffensive heralds a Ukrainian victory in the war with Russia, but the remarkably rapid Ukrainian advance on the one hand and the equally remarkable rapid retreat by the Russians on the other do testify to Ukrainian military prowess and, perhaps more critical, Russian military incompetence.
It should be amply clear by now that, expert expectations to the contrary, Russia cannot win the war. In fact, the irony is that Russian troops have responded to Ukraine’s Blitzkrieg in the same manner that Ukrainians were expected to respond to Russia’s February 24th offensive: by throwing down their arms and heading for the hills.
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I have said since the day of the invasion that Russia could likely win the invasion, but lose the occupation.
Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk and Kherson will be under Russian control and stay under Russian control at end of this. And, that and de-militarizing and de-Nazifying Ukraine were the Russian objectives.
The lies from the Biden regime as outrageous on this as they are everything else.
Well, that would short out virtually every power system in the country, meaning that the nuclear reactors and their backup systems would lose power immediately. So we'd see a series of meltdowns that would contaminate a large portion of Europe.
So that's for starters.
Based on your past history of predictions in this war, which have been documented by some industrious Freepers, I'd bet against that.
Joe Biden profits - as long as he supports Zelensky with enough money to buy his silence.
They’re asking the same question on Russian telly.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720
One pundit thinks they should either surrender or go for a full mobilization, another thinks it’s just going to take time (the first mockingly asks if his ten year old kids are going to get a shot), and a third seems to be thinking that the way to get Ukrainians Who Are All Nazis to surrender is by doing something so VERY BIG and VERY NASTY that the fight goes out of them - although he isn’t specific about what that might be, it’s probably not hearts and minds.
The question finally gets asked, did that Dale Carnegie book have a chapter on winning friends and influencing people that involved wholesale erasure of their national identity and language at gunpoint.
I would’ve simply said, “Have you ever read Aesop’s fable of the Sun and the Wind and if so, did you really not understand it? Hearts and minds, Comrade!”
True it may be too early to call a winner in this war but it is a sure thing Putin is the loser and may well not survive. A breakup of the Russian Federation is a distinct possibility but it is not a desirable outcome for the west as China would eventually gobble up the pieces. If Russia wins it will because the Europeans pull the rug out from under Ukraine in return for Russian gas. Ukraine probably has 3 months to break Russian will otherwise European will will break.
of course! I would agree with that terminology.
Just like we won the invasion of Iraq in less than 2 weeks, but then lost the occupation.
Winning an occupation takes... BRUTALITY far beyond nearly any modern nation’s stomach.
Putin isn’t all-powerful in Russia forever, I wonder how much political capital he has left to pull off these radical escalations that are being described on this thread, which would only be more dragging Russia down into the abyss of showing the world horrors and psychopathy, and the sickness of the Russian mind, and the nation’s utter lack of morality and any concept of moral limits or restraints.
Oh please, Ukraine gets one victory and they call it over.
https://sonar21.com/understanding-planning-orders-and-troop-movements-in-ukraine/
So, was Russia caught by surprise? No. They had at least one week’s warning of the impending Ukrainian attack. If you want to believe that Russia’s intelligence service is incompetent or was deceived in this operation, enjoy the fantasy. The Russian planners had a couple of choices. They could have moved their forces into position earlier but that would have tipped off the Ukrainians and west that the planned offensive was compromised.
Alternatively, the Russian planners may have decided to mask their movements and made choices about which villages and cities to defend and which to abandon. If Russia had moved preemptively to reinforce Izyum that would have raised warning flags for the Ukrainian and NATO planners.
I agree with Andrei Martyanov’s take–the Russians knew it was coming and chose to let the Ukrainians flood the zone in order to eventually hit the Ukrainian forces with a massive counter attack. The Ukrainians are no longer in fortified defensive positions and their lines of communication to support the forward troops are now defined precisely. The Ukrainian attack has not destroyed nor disrupted Russia’s air, artillery, rocket and missile assets. Attacking the Ukrainian units is an easier task, not more difficult.
Blitzkrieg, interesting choice of word.
The truth is, breaking those rules is in part how we won WW2. It’s just glossed over since we were the victors.
In an alternate universe where the allies lost WW2, they would of put us on trial for firebombing Dresden and dropping the nukes on Japan.
The victor makes the rules, and decides who broke them and the penalty.
Hitler knew this and is why he pushed for total war, because in the end any REAL war is total war. Becuase in the end, you either win or your dead, and then what does it matter.
Kiev water and power
Total war
Not like the two civil wars I’ve witnessed
Ukraine took a hit in Kherson and zero gain
They then hit further east and Russia withdrew
Freepers claim total victory as usual
I doubt it
Russia has soft pedaled this war outside the east
Kiev is barely hit with water and power rarely off
I think Russia has commited 20% of war power to this war and being under a micro scope of agit prop they’ve been soft by Russian standards
Uke have suffered serious troop losses and we equip and I think manage them
Their blood our cash
Ukes admit Kherson cost them 5x Russian casualties
For nothing
We shall see
Russia will counter or move on
If they binned Kiev like they did Grozny it’d be over in days
But ironically politics have them on that I think
Usually it’s us in that position though we sure reduced Baghdad more
Twice
USA tactics is historically to take urban cities and declare political victory while the foe runs to the hills or jungle to wait us out
Russia usually tries to grind down the enemies fighting capacity
Two mindsets
Full bore no political considerations and for Ukraine it’s hopeless
So we’ll see how far Russia pushes this limited war to accomplish their goal
The east
No nato
Maybe the cake boy oligarch ring purged
Odds sure favor them
As I’ve been saying, there are multiple sides to this war, not just two as some assert/imply.
And they’re all lying to us.
“One pundit thinks they should either surrender or go for a full mobilization, another thinks it’s just going to take time (the first mockingly asks if his ten year old kids are going to get a shot).”
He’s lucky he’s in Russia. In Ukraine opposition parties are outlawed and the SBU would arrest and likely murder him for saying that on the air.
I feel that you are right. Emperor Putin can only stay in power with victories. He will not let Ukraine become his Waterloo. This makes him a very dangerous man.
The war could easily spread across the Russian border, and the goody bag of western offensive weapons has barely been opened. The Russians are losing so many men and equipment, much of the equipment not replaceable that it will take months to assemble fresh regiments. The lesson from WWII is that you cannot bomb the enemy into submission. It takes boots on the ground to do that and right now Russia is short on boots and guns. It needs to train and equip a fresh army and that takes time.
Weird how when you Goolag "russian missile strikes ukraine", nothing comes up from this week.
Almost as if it is being censored...
Ping. A penny for your thoughts.
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