Posted on 04/05/2021 8:02:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
Everyone undecided, or not taking this vaccine, remember this:
If you are having future scheduled medical procedures done, bank some of your blood ahead of time. These mrna snippets get inside cells, that includes blood cells.
Don’t forget this is another vector where you could wind up with mrna vaccine in you even though you avoided the shot, or haven't decided if you want it or not.
As noted prior, COVID-19 threads have a significant signal to noise ratio.
There’s enough information out there for each person to make a data informed decision.
But at the end of the day, it is each person’s decision. And FReepers need to accept that.
Some of the worst offending issues are 1) mask wearing and 2) vaccines.
Good grief, people. Don’t get so wrapped around the axle that others don’t see COVID-19 issues the same as you or don’t make the same decisions as you.
Unfortunately, there are FReepers on both sides that seem to not only disagree with the “other sides” but also antagonize and make the issues personal with insults and threats. A flame war erupts, rendering the thread essentially useless.
Provide references for your positions and argue as politely as possible.
That’s all you can do.
You are welcome. Sorry for the typos.
When I was researching this stuff, it was interesting to discover the China was focusing on whole virus vaccines rather than genetic design vaccs.
China’s primary Covid-19 vaccine, Sinovac, is a whole virus vaccine. There are several others they have in development or in use, including one developed by a group in Wuhan.
I posted the following in another Covid-19 thread:
The J&J vacc is using a genetically modified adenovirus to get inside host cells to release a payload of genetic material (DNA) that uses the host cell machinery to generate the spike protein.
Like mRNA vaccines, experimental viral vector vaccines have led to several spectacular/tragic bad outcomes during experimental trials for other diseases.
Up until now, no viral vector vaccines have been approved for general/wide-scale use in humans. Though, China has approved a viral vector vaccine for emergency use against Ebola.
Whole virus vaccines (live attenuated virus or inactivated virus) are the gold standard. They produce antibodies based on the whole pathogen, not just a piece of it. I am no expert, but it seems like most of the whole virus SARS-2 vaccines are being developed in China. E.g., Sinovac is a whole virus vaccine.
“Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different virus (the vector) to deliver important instructions to our cells. For COVID-19 viral vector vaccines, the vector (not the virus that causes COVID-19, but a different, harmless virus) will enter a cell in our body and then use the cell’s machinery to produce a harmless piece of the virus that causes COVID-19. This piece is known as a spike protein and it is only found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.” https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/viral-vector-vaccine-basics.html
Interesting paper that surveys the different types of SARS2 vaccines types:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41418-020-00720-9#Sec5
bagster wrote: “Just for you, as simple as it gets.”
Simple so it can appeal to conspiracy cult members and totally wrong.
- The vaccines are 95% effective in stopping you from getting covid.
- If you don’t get covid, you can’t spread it.
- The safety has been well established. Millions of doses have been administered and:
- There have been no deaths and injuries proven to be caused by the vaccines. (Hint: Correlation isn’t causation.)
- The immunity clause was enacted to expedite the vaccines avoiding COVID hundreds of thousands of deaths and illnesses.
SecAmndmt wrote: “They have specifically said that the vax only reduces symptoms, not that it prevents transmission.”
Another false statement by the antip-vaxxer cult. The original statement was that the vaccines were only tested to see if they eliminated symptoms and that they were not tested to see if they reduced infections. That is outdated and incomplete information. Emerging data shows these vaccines do stop infections and if you’re not infected you cannot spread the disease. IOW, these are truly vaccines now matter how much you attempt to obfuscate the issues.
ransomnote wrote: “I believe I have found the best definition from Dr. David Martin [see Martin’s bio here] in a video he produced in late January with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Judy Mikovits.”
The anti-vaxxer cult always resorts to videos because they cannot find published peer reviewed scientific papers published in credible medical journals that support their dubious and misleading claims.
Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/science-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna/
Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.
Rethought my comment:
“If you are concerned by the more modern technology of mRNA, go ahead and opt for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. It is an old school Adenovirus vaccine.”
Yup....
I’ll stand by it.
"...Serious question: Can you become vaccinated from a blood transfusion?..."
One reason is because the covid virus itself is a positive-sense RNA virus. It’s mRNA.
So unless you manage to also avoid the virus you’re still getting the mRNA that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use, only you’re getting the entire virus genome at full strength instead of just the spike protein alone.
mRNA are instruction sets telling cells to create proteins. Your body is processing mRNA every time it makes a protein, which it is doing a billion times unless you are dead. People posting these ridiculous threads don’t know basic cell biology and they eagerly share their ignorance with the rest of us.
But what about those that claim there are impurities in the shot, like graphene oxide and other harmful non-organic things?
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