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COVID Prevention Alternative to Vaccines
WND ^ | March 16, 2021 | Joel S Hirschhorn

Posted on 03/20/2021 11:10:19 AM PDT by Joel S Hirschhorn

The massive global effort to get COVID vaccines used plays on fears of getting the disease, despite the fact that they are experimental. Meaning that they have not gone through the rigorous, time-consuming and expensive randomized clinical trials that so many experts say is the gold standard for evaluating drugs. This absence was used by the government to condemn and block the use of generic medicines, namely hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Vaccine testing and regulatory approval have been rushed. Missing from nearly all information reaching the public are some key facts. The vaccines still allow the virus to stay in the body and the virus can shed and pass on to others. In other words, the virus can stay alive in the community. Moreover, all kinds of ugly side effects can and do hit some vaccinated people.

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To: DugwayDuke

Why bring in facts to go against a good narrative?


41 posted on 03/21/2021 12:04:01 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: bramps

A friend of mine and his wife got it at the same time - she had moderate cold-like symptoms for several days, and completely lost her sense of taste and smell for over two months. He did not lose his sense of taste and smell at all - but was completely bedridden for 2 full weeks with serious symptoms and milder symptoms lasting longer than that with a cough for months. Obviously they had the same strain yet affected them differently. Both very young, healthy and fit individuals. It’s a very strange disease.


42 posted on 03/21/2021 12:14:20 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: SoConPubbie
You should also be asking yourself why there is, again statistically speaking, almost zero reported flu cases this year.

That's not difficult. Anyone running even a mild fever or other symptoms of the flu was turned away at the door and not allowed in. It can't spread that way...coupled with the fact there is a considerable amount of functional herd immunity from the vaccine and it being an infection we are regularly exposed to many immune systems are familiar with.

43 posted on 03/21/2021 12:17:46 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: metmom
These vaccines don’t make you immune.

In many or most cases they do...or make the disease last far less time with far less severe symptoms and period of being contagious as the immune system is trained to recognize it and eradicate it.

We’ve been told that you can still catch and transmit the virus. That’s NOT immune.

Can and will are two different things.

Are you trying to claim that these so-called vaccines can confer better immunity than actually getting the disease?

Either you would die or become immune after you get over it, yes. Some who survive may be seriously impaired for life...uncertain at this point if the damage is permanent. Should someone intentionally trying to catch the disease in order to become immune? Why not become immune so you don't have to go through that stage?

44 posted on 03/21/2021 12:28:20 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Go_Raiders
Just like the same exact number of people who died of the 1918 Spanish flu every year until 1933, right? Oh wait, they didn’t. Because that’s not how pandemics work, except in very low wattage brains apparently.

I'm not seeing any information that matches that. Waves in successive years were just as deadly as the first and in some localities, worse. There are no recordings of any further waves of that H1N1 flu outbreak after 1920.

Interestingly, there is information that suggests this bug to cause that pandemic originated in China as well, although it was an influenza virus and not a coronavirus.

45 posted on 03/21/2021 12:41:31 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Joel S Hirschhorn
The massive global effort to get COVID vaccines used plays on fears of getting the disease, despite the fact that they are experimental. Meaning that they have not gone through the rigorous, time-consuming and expensive randomized clinical trials that so many experts say is the gold standard for evaluating drugs. This absence was used by the government to condemn and block the use of generic medicines, namely hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

It’s this hypocrisy that makes me suspicious of the “vaccine”.

46 posted on 03/21/2021 1:00:42 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Why not treat people in the early stages of the disease prophylactically so the disease does not progress to the point of causing damage?

Why ban the use of totally safe meds but instead push a treatment which has not been thoroughly tested especially for long term effects instead?


47 posted on 03/21/2021 1:05:00 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

As i have been pointing out, if the public health authorities recognized the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin therapies, they wouldn’t have been able to grant the EUAs for the vaccines.

It is time for the text block.

I’ve been pushing Ivermectin here for at least a few months at this point.

IANAD or public health professional, but my understanding is that technically, the vaccines are not “approved”, but rather have “emergency use authorizations.” These EUAs could only be granted if there were no available effective therapeutics. So the FedGov public health establishment had to refuse to recognize the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin-based therapies in order to be able to grant those EUAs. By doing this, they greatly increased the death and suffering due to Covid.

If we had a public health edifice that was worth anything, front line health care workers and public-facing store employees would be on Covid prophylaxis, and could have been for months. The Federal public health agencies (FDA/NIH/CDC) have seemingly completely ignored cheap effective re-purposed therapeutics that could have significantly reduced deaths and transmission.

Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 35 studies
https://ivmmeta.com/

Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
Key protocols from this group use Ivermectin.

COVID Care for Clinicians
https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/covid_care_for_clinicians/
Ditto this group.

India has been using HCQ and Ivermectin for many months as therapeutics and for prophylaxis. Their curves are quite impressive, scroll down to see them here.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
Anyone able to interpret a basic graph will be impressed. Why is this not being talked about in Western media?

Also from India:
Ziverdo Kit Contains Zinc Acetate 50 mg, Doxycycline 100 mg & Ivermectin 12 mg Dispersible Tablets. It is currently indicated in the first line treatment for COVID-19 positive patients. Quadruple Therapy with Ivermectin is effective in treating COVID-19
https://www.rxindia.com/medicines/medicines-by-therapeutic-class/covid-19/ziverdo-kit/
That’s a link to an Indian online pharmacy selling that Covid treatment kit for under $2, just add vitamin D3.

The Mystery Behind India’s Success in Flattening the Curve
https://covexit.com/the-mystery-behind-india-success-in-flattening-the-curve/
Hint: There are a several hundred million HCQ and Ivermectin tablets as a key component of early therapeutic regimens.

Also, the meta-study link has links to a number of other studies. Here’s the one for HCQ.

HCQ is effective for COVID-19 when used early: real-time meta analysis of 197 studies
https://hcqmeta.com/

The War on ‘Misinformation’ Claims Two Victims. Truth. And the Right to Treatment.
https://trialsitenews.com/the-war-on-misinformation-claims-two-victims-truth-and-the-right-to-treatment/

I continue to think the media, Big Tech and FedGov’s handling of these therapeutics criminal


48 posted on 03/21/2021 1:43:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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bkmk


49 posted on 03/21/2021 1:57:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Our lawyers just want you to know that all of this is not real.")
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To: FreedomPoster
IANAD or public health professional, but my understanding is that technically, the vaccines are not “approved”, but rather have “emergency use authorizations.” These EUAs could only be granted if there were no available effective therapeutics. So the FedGov public health establishment had to refuse to recognize the efficacy of HCQ and Ivermectin-based therapies in order to be able to grant those EUAs. By doing this, they greatly increased the death and suffering due to Covid.

That kind of disregard for human life is beyond despicable. It is evil to the core.

And they are doing it all for an agenda to grab power and to inflict this injection on us for their own purposes.

What is also beyond despicable is that they are pretending to care about our health while sacrificing the lives of those they claim to care about for their own purposes.

I used to be of the mind that I would not want to see anyone in hell, but what has been happening in the last several years, and especially last year, has really caused me to reconsider.

50 posted on 03/21/2021 4:55:55 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

metmom wrote: “These vaccines don’t make you immune. We’ve been told that you can still catch and transmit the virus. That’s NOT immune.”

On Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Cuomo Primetime,” White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci stated that “the more data we get, the more we see that if you’re vaccinated, the chances are that you won’t get an asymptomatic infection, or if you do, the level of virus in your nasopharynx will be considerably less, that it is likely you won’t infect anybody.”

metmom wrote “Are you trying to claim that these so-called vaccines can confer better immunity than actually getting the disease?:”

For one thing, I’m claiming that getting two, almost painless, shots is much better than suffering for up to two weeks with the virus. Get the vaccine and the chances are very small that you’ll spend time in the hospital. Then, there are the ‘long haulers’ who are still suffering from the virus months later.


51 posted on 03/21/2021 5:09:20 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Get treated with prophylactics early in the disease and chances are very small you will need to spend time in the hospital.

And then there are all those people who are suffering from side effects, up to and including death, from the vaccine.

You can never build a solid case that an rushed, mostly experimental, relatively untested especially for long term effects, injectable treatment is preferable to conservative, common sense, inexpensive, safe use of medication.

And if it should happen to not work for someone, they are no worse off than if they hadn’t tried it.

And you want to lower death rates?

Keep sick people out of nursing homes and lose weight.


52 posted on 03/21/2021 6:26:21 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

metmom wrote: “Get treated with prophylactics early in the disease and chances are very small you will need to spend time in the hospital.”

The vaccines are the best ‘prophylactic’ there is.

metmom wrote: “And then there are all those people who are suffering from side effects, up to and including death, from the vaccine.”

No one has posted a credible source showing the vaccines have caused any deaths yet some insist they have. And, yes, “post hoc ergo propter hoc” applies. The vast majority of the side-effects are minor. On the arm where you got the shot: soreness, redness, swelling. Elsewhere: fatigue, headache, chills, slight fever, some muscle pain, all over in three days or less.

CV19 can cause all of those plus hospitalization and death.

Most thinking people would prefer the vaccine.

metmom wrote: “Keep sick people out of nursing homes and lose weight.”

I’ve lost eighty pounds since Jan 2020. I’ve gone from a XXXL polo to a L. I’ve gone from a 48 trouser to a 34. I lost so much weight my face looked like a raisin. My facelift to remove the wrinkles was about six weeks ago.


53 posted on 03/21/2021 6:51:39 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: jstolzen
CDC will say those cases are not necessarily CAUSED BY the vaccine..but there are enough instances (hundreds to thousands, albeit among millions of shots given) to be on heck of an amazing coincidence if they’re not.

I've only two facts to add to your post:

1. I think we all know these "vaccines" aren't approved by the FDA. They were given "emergency use authorization" only. They've not gone through the FDA's normal, rigorous approval processes.

2. If this were any other over the counter medication for example, it would've been pulled off the market long ago due to safety concerns based on the VAERS data. I'm old enough to remember when Tylenol was pulled off the market because there were doubts about it and it turned out to be a whackjob spiking bottles that were already on the shelves.

On a personal note, as a high risk individual myself due to an auto-immune disease (read that: bad genetics and outside my control.) I've personally had to do a metric ton of research on these vaccines and spoken repeatedly with the specialist who treats me for my auto-immune disorder about my concerns with the safety of these vaccines. (I also have moral objections to them as a separate matter.)

My specialist is advising his patients with similar/same condition as mine to WAIT due to there being almost zero data on the vaccine's effects on people such as myself. I've chosen to heed his advice while I attempt to sort through all the moral objections I have to the vaccine. (My decision is to NOT take the vaccine based on what I know and I don't see that changing.)

I've chosen instead to follow the advice I've read here on FR, elsewhere, and in consultation with my specialist who's also read the studies that say Vitamin D, Zinc and Magnesium do much to minimize the effects of the virus of those who take it. I take these three supplements daily and take reasonable precautions to protect my own health because my health is MY responsibility, not everyone else's.

Personal responsibility. Go figure. Seems to be a lost concept in this country these days.

54 posted on 03/21/2021 7:13:43 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Republican Wildcat

Three waves. That was it as far as overwhelming deaths from Spanish flu.

I was replying sarcastically to someone making outlandish projections about COVID-19 killing the same number of people every year for 15 years.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/milestone-infographic.htm


55 posted on 03/21/2021 9:14:58 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (The fact is, we really don't know anything. It's all guesswork and rationalization.)
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To: DugwayDuke
No one has posted a credible source showing the vaccines have caused any deaths yet some insist they have.

There's plenty evidence of likely deaths and of hospitalizations including ICU stays in VAERS.

I was candidly VERY surprised (being as I'm generally "pro" vaccine) at how many reported deaths (over 1,100 last time I looked about 2 weeks ago) and serious adverse effects being reported post-vaccine. Some of the cases will scare the blue snot out of anyone who reads them - there's a pretty broad range of very serious reactions being reported. And based on my research, I've concluded the CDC and others are (surprise!) lying outright to us about the "mild" effects one may experience.

In my own case, shot #1 (Pfizer) has kicked my tail hard. I've been pretty sick for about a week now. Pretty apprehensive for that reason about shot #2 which we all know is reported to be worse in those who have reactions, as "worse" might just put me in the hospital based on how bad I reacted to shot #1..

The CDC and skeptics will say there is no proof of "causality", but as I've said before..if many of the cases in VAERS (as well as my own reaction) were not in fact caused by the vaccine, it's one heck of a coincidence over..and over..and over..

56 posted on 03/21/2021 2:28:09 PM PDT by jstolzen
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To: jstolzen

jstolzen wrote: “There’s plenty evidence of likely deaths and of hospitalizations including ICU stays in VAERS”

It’s tempting to blame the vaccines but one should remember “post hoc ergo propter hoc” That is an informal fallacy that states: “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X. You wouldn’t believe that a crowing rooster causes the sunrise. So far there has been no deaths that can be said were caused by the vaccines.

Take for example, anaphylaxis, which is one of the things that some wish to blame on the vaccines. The National Health Service of the UK list these common anaphylaxis triggers:

-foods – including nuts, milk, fish, shellfish, eggs and some fruits

-medicines – including some antibiotics and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) like aspirin

-insect stings – particularly wasp and bee stings
general anaesthetic

-contrast agents – dyes used in some medical tests to help certain areas of your body show up better on scans

-latex – a type of rubber found in some rubber gloves and condoms

-In some cases, there’s no obvious trigger. This is known as idiopathic anaphylaxis.

Obviously, with so many other triggers, just because some dies from anaphylaxis after taking the vaccine does not mean that the vaccine caused anaphylaxis yet you will see that claimed many times.

You should remember that over 100 million doses have been given to date. Most of these doses went to the oldest and most frail among us. Is 1000 deaths in this cohort surprising? That’s one in 100 thousand.

Two other things.
While you were hard hit by the vaccine, was the hit as hard as the virus would have been?
Wife and I had our 2nd pfizer on Thursday. None event. Not even a sore arm. BTW, I had surgery in mid-feb. Eight hours on the operating table. That should have put my immune system into overdrive which would have made me more susceptible to vaccine reactions. Nothing.
Don’t be discouraged by the claims on the internet. There are many working overtime to disparage the vaccines and to convince you that you should take Vitamin D instead.


57 posted on 03/21/2021 2:58:01 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: SoConPubbie

So you still don’t have any numbers for me to look at. I think we’re done here.


58 posted on 03/22/2021 7:40:49 AM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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To: jstolzen

Did you ever get the second shot?


59 posted on 04/29/2021 1:03:20 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (WINNING is not getting old!!!)
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