Posted on 03/20/2021 11:10:19 AM PDT by Joel S Hirschhorn
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Several misrepresentation in this article:
One that stands out is this: “The vaccines still allow the virus to stay in the body, and the virus can shed and pass on to others.” This belief is based upon statements that those receiving the vaccine were not tested to see if they were infected only that they did not develop symptoms. IOW, it is unknown until further testing whether one can be infected after vaccination.
And, then this: “Meaning that they have not gone through the rigorous, time-consuming and expensive randomized clinical trials that so many experts say is the gold standard for evaluating drugs.”
It is true that the ‘gold standard’ requires about fifteen years of testing. But, we’ve over 500 thousand deaths so far. Should we test for fifteen years at the cost of 7.5 millions lives? These vaccines have been shown to be safe and effective. There is no reason to condemn over seven million to an early death so we can perform more testing.
Can anyone show me the ‘gold standard’ double blind studies lasting 15 years for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin against the virus. If, as the author insists, we should delay the vaccines until they’re subjected to the ‘gold standard’, then wouldn’t it be only appropriate to subject these drugs to the same standard. Sure, those drugs have been around many years but they have not been ‘gold standard’ tested for effectiveness to COVID.
Those ‘ugly side effects’ are grossly exaggerated. Would you rather have a sore arms, suffer some minor fatigue, and, perhaps, a mild fever or spend two weeks in the hospital with COVID. BTW, wife and I had our second pfizer thursday. Nothing. Nothing fell off. We grew no strange appendages. Nothing.
heads up on WND article fyi.
We knows lots of folks who’ve tested positive for WuFlu.
All are under 70. Nobody’s died.
The vast majority are/were asymptomatic. The rest felt like they had a cold.
All were at greater risk of croaking from getting in an MVA on the way to Wally to buy their ChiCom made muzzles.
Risk is relative.
Informed consent is impossible.
I’m younger, healthy.
I’m not getting any of the vaccines.
I’ve been one of the biggest pro-vaccine voices on FR (so that we can hopefully end this thing and get back to normal)..that said, let me share my own experience.
First Pfizer shot on 3/9. Was fine except for (very) sore arm for several days. 5 or so days later, symptoms set in.
I don’t want to go into detail on my personal health, but suffice it to say I’m concerned enough to be going to the Doctor Monday AM and am asking for bloodwork to be done to find out what in the world might be going on.
Anyone who wants to cut through the debate about “the vaccines are TOTALLY safe” vs “the vaccines could really mess you up” should do their OWN search in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). I did that this morning, and was pretty surprised at the number of REALLY severe cases of apparent side effects I read - we’re talking multi-organ systemic failures, hospitalizations, ICU visits and worse. CDC will say those cases are not necessarily CAUSED BY the vaccine..but there are enough instances (hundreds to thousands, albeit among millions of shots given) to be on heck of an amazing coincidence if they’re not.
You can search VAERS yourself at: https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
I’m not here to persuade OR dissuade anyone..but I wish someone had pointed out that the side effects CAN be more than “just” headache, fever, etc that you recover quickly from..because the last week or so sure has sucked for me personally, to the point I’m really wondering if the second shot is wise based on my reaction to the first..as I understand it, Israel apparently found ~80% protection from just one shot. I might go with that at this point depending on what Doc says on Mon.
The media and drug companies such as Pfizer are not giving the complete picture of the adverse effects of these m-RNA vaccines. Especially after the second shot. These people are having all sorts of issues including pneumonia, platelet problems, TIAs, covid toe, nausea and diarrhea that lasts for about a week and these symptoms are not occurring unt 3 weeks post the second injection when IgG immunoglobins are ready for attack.
I’m at that point (3 weeks after Moderna #2) so I’ll be alert to the symptoms.
Have been on HCQ+zinc for me and about 20 family members for a year. No one sick despite known exposures. Zelenko Prevention Protocol.
So many people have had covid already that efforts to prevent further spread will be entirely successful.
Thanks for that! I’m not anti-vax by any means but I don’t like these non-vaccine vaccines. If I do get one it will be when the traditional vax comes out. I have known too many people that had the two shot vax and some thought they wouldn’t survive it. With the exception of one person, most people I know that had COVID barely knew they had it. With my lung issues though I try really hard not to get any respiratory virus. I also don’t want to give it to my husband.
I too have had Phizer shot #2, in my case 3 weeks ago - and without anything more than an unremarkable soreness at the injection site. So I consider that my paleoflatus status no longer makes me particularly at risk for COVID. And 95% effectiveness - compared to not getting vaccinated, which didn’t kill me before I got the shots in February - means near-certain freedom from COVID. Moderna’s raw stat - which I happen to have seen here - is that out of 15,000 vaccinated people, 11 got COVID. None of whom were hospitalized, let alone died.And I wanna believe that that is everyone’s experience. But I have a friend even older than I, who has been walloped pretty bad by the Moderna shot. Besides, the country - and the world - is full of youngsters who do things which need doing, and haven’t yet got even their first shot. And there are people with allergies which rule out their taking the vaccines at all.☹️
So the conclusion is that treatments to assure that those who get COVID don’t suffer serious outcomes is certainly worth a lot - and will be until/unless vaccination becomes universal globally. And if such treatments are effective against mutations of COVID . . .
Besides, they claim that injection site soreness suggests that the vaccine is working - might it not be possible that a COViD treatment should be administered simultaneously with vaccination, to ameliorate the side effects of the vaccine???
Several misrepresentations or more likely wrong assumptions in yours as well. The 500,000 deaths number is wildly inflated. They have been counting any and every death that they can as a Covid death. Wreck your motorcycle and get decapitated and they find out in the autopsy that you had tested positive ( with a test that was not meant to be used for this AND has been amplified to 35-40 times so it catches whiffs of Covid) and you died of Covid. Nobody really knows how many people actually died from just Covid. Also assuming that number (500,000) would stay the same year after year is illogical and wrong. As discussed the number isn’t right now AND with large segments getting vaccinated and smaller ones getting/surviving it, herd immunity is much closer than anyone thinks. It is not a continuous runaway train at 500k deaths per year every year.
conservatism_IS_compassion wrote: “I too have had Phizer shot #2, in my case 3 weeks ago - and without anything more than an unremarkable soreness at the injection site. So I consider that my paleoflatus status no longer makes me particularly at risk for COVID. And 95% effectiveness - compared to not getting vaccinated, which didn’t kill me before I got the shots in February - means near-certain freedom from COVID.”
Well stated. Those of us who have chosen to get the vaccine have, as you say, near certain freedom from COVID. Those that get their medical advice from Youtube videos can only hope they are protected.
I tested positive 3 nights ago. I had been feeling lousy for a few days but I only got tested because I lost my taste. I was initially saying that it was just like a cold but I do feel pretty beat up at this point. I’m 57 years old and generally very very healthy. I would add this very important point. I truly don’t know where I got it. I’m not that social. I only go shopping for my elderly mother once a week and I wear a mask otherwise I’m really not around anybody without a mask or around too many people at all. So be careful. I can easily see where it would lead to bigger health issues with someone who’s not in great health to begin with.
The safety of both drugs is well established over decades of use and billions of doses. Risk level is not dissimilar from Tylenol or Aleve. As to efficacy vs. Covid, start here:
You wrote: “near certain freedom from COVID.”
People shouldn’t necessarily count on that.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.03.21251066v1
Results: While the majority of participants in both groups produced specific IgG antibody titers against SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, titers were significantly lower in elderly participants. Although the increment of antibody levels after the second immunization was higher in elderly participants, the absolute mean titer of this group remained lower than the <60 group. After the second vaccination, 31.3 % of the elderly had no detectable neutralizing antibodies in contrast to the younger group, in which only 2.2% had no detectable neutralizing antibodies.
Conclusion: Our data suggests that lower frequencies of neutralizing antibodies after BNT162b2 vaccination in the elderly population may require earlier revaccination to ensure strong immunity and protection against infection.
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You're doing a great job for your masters of hysteria and fear mongering using their numbers. Conveniently.
You cannot extrapolate those kinds of deaths based on the initial death toll which took out a great many of the most vulnerable, by design of the democrats.
The Spanish flu was far more deadly and they didn't have a vaccine and yet it burned itself out in a couple years.
And you're expecting us to believe that COVID will be this kind of problem 15 years down the road?
How much are they paying you?
IANADNDIPOOTV, but I’d get on this stat.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/
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