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Question on liability of my GSD damaging cars on my property.

Posted on 05/03/2020 4:07:53 AM PDT by Enduro Guy

We live on 15 acres pretty far out in the country and have a free roaming German Shepherd Dog that's quite the guard dog, to say the least. Our driveway is at least 750 feet long from the county road to our garage where I have a "BEWARE OF DOG" sign.

Our GSD is friendly to aloof with people, but ferocious towards vehicles. Recently he bit and pierced two front tires of a visiting friend's car as they were parking by our garage. That cost me $350. He's also done this to one tire on my nephew's truck. My nephew used his tire insurance to pay for the damage.

FWIW, I've been training the GSD to not attack tires on arriving vehicles but it's been a constant uphill battle. His instinct to bite tires really overwhelms him but I'm working on it.

Oh well, to my question:

Am I liable for the damage to people's vehicles, even if I have a "BEWARE OF DOG" sign?


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To: Vaquero

I had to do that to a schnauzer on my paper route that belonged to the only customer I ever had trouble collecting from. Dog chased me at 5:30 a couple of mornings in a row.

The third morning. I kicked it squarely in the jaw and sent it whimpering back home. Never bothered me again.


41 posted on 05/03/2020 6:23:49 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (This space vacant until further notice in compliance with social distancing 'guidelines')
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To: Enduro Guy
Shock Collar!!!

You have the control in your hand.

He goes near the car, Zap!

Turn up the power until he gets the message.

No, it is NOT "cruel"!

42 posted on 05/03/2020 6:30:29 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Enduro Guy

Tough to hear. Please excuse the potential possibility of uninvited advice. Sounds like tough situation.

I do this with our Pomeranian because she is so head strong.

I use it every opportunity to reinforce pack leader.

She is a well behaved pomeranian for it.

Napolonic little canine. She is such a fun dog. So sweet. Best puppy dog ever.

Good luck.

Build a giant kennel. Get a gate and intercome.

Post signs.

Don’t lose friends over damaged cars and probably save $.

That’s a heck of a dog. Yikes.


43 posted on 05/03/2020 6:38:23 AM PDT by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: Enduro Guy

There is another factor her in making sure you controll your animal: The dog could be killed or horribly maimed biting tires.


44 posted on 05/03/2020 6:40:53 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Enduro Guy

My German shepherd did the same thing.

We had a tire fastened on a zip line that ran over our pond. The German Shepherd would go to the low part below the pond, jump up and bite the tire and hold on. The kids would then pull the tire about 150 ft over the pond which was about 15 ft over the pond.

They would yell DROP and she would let go, swim to shore and run to jump up and bite the tire for another ride. She would jump up, bite the tie and hang on for about 5 minutes without her feet touching the ground!

This would happen all afternoon, every time she got a chance.


45 posted on 05/03/2020 6:47:30 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Enduro Guy

I love dogs. But untrained dogs are why people that dont like dogs dont like dogs. Train your dog!!


46 posted on 05/03/2020 6:50:14 AM PDT by Saruthe
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To: Arlis

You can buy a dummy collar that is a duplicate of the real thing except for the electronics.

Put that on him when the shock collar is charging.

If he is smart enough to tell which is which, put both on him at the same time for a month or so.

If he still outsmarts you, get two shock collars.

Most shock collar instructions I have read advise the new purchaser to use the lowest intensity to which the dog will react.

That is fine if you are teaching the dog to obey a command, such as getting him to c load in your car when you are ready to go home from a walk or hunting.

But when a dog is really excited, such as when fighting or chasing cars, he does not feel pain or any other stimulus the same as when he is calm.

When training not to bite, fight or chase you need to run the collar on the highest number and whack him immediately.

Also do not give any voice commands. You are not training him to listen yo your voice....you are training him to believe that the vehicle is punishing him.

And allowing a dog to run loose unsupervised, unless he is a hunting dog and you are in the field, is bad for the dog and shows a complete lack of understanding of animal management.


47 posted on 05/03/2020 6:51:16 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: Enduro Guy

One other comment.

No sign negates the law.

Beware of dog sign is about as effective as beware of my gun.

Beware of my gun sign does not absolve the property owner of the legal problems involved in shooting people.


48 posted on 05/03/2020 6:58:13 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: Enduro Guy

Train your dog


49 posted on 05/03/2020 7:11:42 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

“You” meant everybody/anyone in this context not the Nifster. Sorry.


50 posted on 05/03/2020 7:12:00 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Enduro Guy

Yes.


51 posted on 05/03/2020 7:12:33 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Enduro Guy
Sounds like your dog needs a good session with a rolled-up newspaper. Or a lethal injection.

You're sitting on a powder keg. It's just a matter of time before you're in court.

52 posted on 05/03/2020 7:18:27 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Enduro Guy

Get a tire and tie it onto a tree branch.
Rope swing for the kids a really big chew toy.


53 posted on 05/03/2020 7:59:09 AM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: old curmudgeon

Yep, that’s a good idea. I have a shock collar that works like a charm, even at the 50% level. I’ve used it to train him off a couple of vehicles and it worked perfect. Then, after a period of time passes, he goes back to the habit. He definitely knows when the collar is on not to try it.
Hell, I’ve shocked the shit out of him through the kitchen window a few times when he did it. Stopped him cold.
I’m going to have him wear the collar 24/7 now. I even have two receivers but I don’t have a spare collar, yet.
Looks like my boy is gonna have to get on the pain train. Hell, I might even start enjoying it...


54 posted on 05/03/2020 9:13:42 AM PDT by Enduro Guy (Always cov fe'fe)
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To: Enduro Guy

I’ve never known anybody else with this problem. Our Chesapeake Bay Retriever chases and bites our tires but only when we’re leaving the yard and only my car and my daughter’s car, not her husband’s truck. We figure he is trying to keep us from leaving.


55 posted on 05/03/2020 9:20:58 AM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: IronJack

He’s 7 years old and just started this crap recently. Hopefully he’ll start settling down after I put him in my “Shock Collar Boot Camp”.


56 posted on 05/03/2020 9:27:46 AM PDT by Enduro Guy (Always cov fe'fe)
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To: Enduro Guy

Yes. The visitors you are referring to are invitees of one sort or another, which, as a matter of premises liability law, makes you responsible for damages they suffer. As for the dog, I suggest daily walks and play exercise, with leash and obedience training.


57 posted on 05/03/2020 11:27:35 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Enduro Guy

The sign may actually make your liability worse. It can be used as proof that you know your dog is out of control


58 posted on 05/03/2020 11:29:05 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Enduro Guy

I have a 110lb male GSD who’s nearly 3 years old. I have to use a shock collar on him because it helps me keep him under physical control. I’m 59, female and 145lbs.

Have you ever had a problem with your dog eating his food? My dog is so finicky and sometimes doesn’t eat for a whole day.

Three weeks ago, we had to take him to the vet because he was acting so oddly I knew something was wrong. After the exam the vet said he seemed to be having pain in his abdomen. We let them do blood work and xrays to see if there was a foreign body. Thought maybe he had swallowed something. Thankfully he hadn’t so no surgery.

The vet decided he must have eaten something that caused a GI problem and gave us some anti diarrhea meds and an antibiotic. He still doesn’t seem right and eats very little. We have tried everything.

Have you had any similar problems with your GSD?


59 posted on 05/03/2020 11:57:25 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Bonemaker

It meant the owner of this German shepherd dog. That is what the post is about.


60 posted on 05/03/2020 12:58:55 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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