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Were there really ever any Russians at all?
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-11-18 | DrJohn

Posted on 02/11/2018 4:12:32 PM PST by Starman417

We have been fed an endless diet of Trump-Russia collusion by the media. It is based on the dossier compiled by one Christopher Steele. The more we learn about it, the more curious it becomes.

The dossier was the basis for the FBI to secure a warrant to spy on Carter Page. That in itself is very curious. Page has been on the FBI radar since at least 2014. Page is thought to have helped the FBI snare Russian spies in 2013 back then although he denies it. You'd think that the FBi would be able to determine if Page was a spy in all the time. I'll have more to say about Page soon.

The Nunes memo made several key claims:

Additionally, the memo also noted:
"McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the [FISA court] without the Steele dossier information"
Steele lied to the FBI
The narrative is laid out in the Nunes memo. It notes that at the time the FBI sought the Page warrant on Oct. 21 “the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele” for the same information the bureau submitted to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court for the warrant. Mr. Steele wrote his last election dossier memo on Oct. 19, apparently ending his $160,000 in payments from Fusion GPS, the investigative firm that had hired him to produce the dossier.

The Nunes memo later states, “Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations — an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016 Mother Jones article by David Corn.”

The FBI called him a "less than reliable source."

Donald Trump dossier: intelligence sources vouch for author's credibility
But that was back in January 2017. Things change.

Steele admitted that his dossier was "unverified." 

Then there's the circular sourcing:

Third, the FISA warrant application cited as corroborating evidence an article in Yahoo News written by Michael Isikoff that was published on Sept. 23, 2016 and focused on a trip to Moscow made by Page in July 2016.

But that Yahoo News article couldn’t really be considered “corroboration” of the dossier compiled by Steele, as it was revealed that Steele himself had provided the information upon which this article was based to Isikoff. This tactic is known as circular sourcing, or making a single source of information appear as though it is coming from multiple independent sources.

So now "multiple sources" are dwindling. Now on to the second dossier, written by Clinton hack Cody Shearer.

Frightened out of his wits by Devin Nunes' promise of the next memo exposing the corruption of the DOJ, Jonathan Winer, a DOJ official under John Kerry, came out as the person passing on propaganda against Donald Trump prior to the election:

For your amusement- read this

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To: marron

Here’s the passenger list of the Russian airliner that crashed. According to #QAnon one of these passengers was a source for both Uranium 1 and the Steele Dossier.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVxxTItW0AEQnBT.jpg:large


21 posted on 02/11/2018 5:18:27 PM PST by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her! Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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There was NO RUSSIAN HACKING!!!



A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack



Russiagate Is More Fiction Than Fact



Bombshell Report on the DNC Hack by Forensic Experts Claims It Was an Inside Job, Not the Russians

22 posted on 02/11/2018 5:21:10 PM PST by KavMan
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To: Starman417
Were there really ever any Russians at all? As far as the Trump "collusion scandal" is concerned, I have wondered about that myself. There is just as much evidence that the entire thing was concocted by Steele who cheerfully pocketed the money. And none of his clients gave a damn about the veracity of a word of it. It was sufficient for their purposes.
23 posted on 02/11/2018 5:23:28 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: umgud

If Trump didn’t win I cannot imagine the Hell this country would be in.


24 posted on 02/11/2018 5:25:10 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Starman417

The key premise of the dossier is refuted by circumstantial evidence. Don Jr.met with a Russian lawyer to get dirt on Hillary. If Trump had a direct line to the Kremlin as Steele claims then there would be no need to meet with this Russian lawyer. And the fact that Don Jr.is described as giddy about the meeting refuted the dossier as well. He would not have been giddy if this lady was merely the next in a long line of Russian contacts.

Another example is the comments by Trump at the campaign rally where he suggested that the Russians release the Clinton emails. If he had a direct line to Putin then he’d just call him up on the phone. He’d certainly not suggest publicly that the Russians release the info.

Finally the fact that they conducted wire tapping operations for more than a year and got nothing shows that all the BS in the dossier about Page and Cohen being Trump contacts with the Russians is just that—BS.


25 posted on 02/11/2018 5:27:03 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Starman417
Why would Russia bother to interfere directly when there are so many Russian operatives already on the ground here.

26 posted on 02/11/2018 5:29:37 PM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Starman417

Only the ones who were assisting the Hillary/Obama conspirators in the construction of this fraud. Natalia Veselnitskaya, for example.


27 posted on 02/11/2018 5:36:26 PM PST by fluorescence
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To: Starman417

Assume for a minute that the Russians tipped the election to Trump. How did they do it? Trump carried more than two dozen states so stuffing the ballot boxes in all those states without someone noticing would be simply impossible. Assume that the Russians supplied Trump with damning information that would drive potential Hillary voters to the Trump camp. That scenario holds no credibility either as the US media remained totally in the tank for Hillary and buried even real stories like Hillary’s illegal secret server, the suspicious tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and. Loretta Lynch, her lost emails etc. So how could Russian interference have tipped the election?


28 posted on 02/11/2018 5:38:16 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Starman417

Since Schiffty hasn’t found a damn thing, I’d have to say no. Schiffty would give anything for just one tidbit of “evidence” and it just ain’t working out.


29 posted on 02/11/2018 5:40:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (#NotARussianBot)
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To: Starman417

Who would benefit from pointing the finger at Russians? Ukranians...


30 posted on 02/11/2018 5:47:17 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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To: Starman417

I’ll bet the exploits in the dossier were based on things Bill Clinton did. Especially the golden shower.


31 posted on 02/11/2018 5:51:12 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: jonrick46

I believe Bill “Slick Willy” Clinton had a hand in the dossier fabrication. Who could have, besides Slick Willy, come with a story line as bazaar as Trump with a Russian prostitute doing Water Sports on a Moscow hotel bed?


LOL. Yup. Based on Bill’s exploits.


32 posted on 02/11/2018 5:53:05 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: rbg81

I’ve been betting the golden showers episode was based on a John McCain story. We’ll find out one day, hoping that’s soon!


33 posted on 02/11/2018 5:55:47 PM PST by Beach333
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To: jjotto
"I do not believe there were any Russian sources for the Steele dossier. All the info was invented by Clinton cronies. US intelligence did employ Russians to try to entrap Donald Trump."

From the article, I surmise that the CIA and MI6 shared their "intelligence" with the Clintons through State, which got handed to Steele/Fusion GPS, Shearer.

34 posted on 02/11/2018 5:57:03 PM PST by armourenthusiast (Trumperific)
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To: shanover
"If Trump didn’t win I cannot imagine the Hell this country would be in.”

I agree a hell like Venezuela is in by now.

Trump literally saved the USA.

Trump gave up his billionaire lifestyle to become the news media's punching bag. I nor any normal human could take the lies and constant unfair bashing,lies,slander, false allegations etc. from the media .I just hope Trump continues to take all that 24/7 bashing and slander from the news media.

I don't think Trump imagined the media could be so evil and the swamp so corrupt. Not even I imagined politicians nor the swamp were this evil and that they were the corrupt traitors that they are. I knew the news media were this evil and corrupt traitors though.

Every day I look at Trump's twitter and say whew he's still taking all the media lies and hasn't quit. I'd quit and go to an island.God bless Trump for his bravery and courage. I've never seen a media attack someone so savagely and so pervasively and for so long not even when they attacked Sarah Palin.

35 posted on 02/11/2018 6:41:14 PM PST by rurgan (The Federal reserve r leftists raising rates to hurt Trump.Fed kept rates at 0 for all of obama yrs)
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To: CloudyI

That’s the best rule of all.


36 posted on 02/11/2018 6:44:56 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Jerusalem is the city of The Great King!)
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To: combat_boots

Wow. Perfect. A source that can’t be subpoenaed.


37 posted on 02/11/2018 7:05:40 PM PST by marron
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To: Brilliant
If Trump had a direct line to the Kremlin as Steele claims then there would be no need to meet with this Russian lawyer.

And his contact wouldn't have to have a special waiver from Obama's DOJ to come and see him.

38 posted on 02/11/2018 7:20:03 PM PST by marron
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To: Starman417

On the night of the election, Hillary was up 27 points in Wisconsin, 22 points in Pennsylvania and 31 points in Michigan. Someone from Russia unleashed a gamma ray mind control beam nicknamed “Come to your senses you welfare sucking unemployed democrap morons”. Once it was triggered, their fingers were force to vote Trump. Just sick!


39 posted on 02/11/2018 8:04:00 PM PST by Bommer ( F the NFL!)
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To: Starman417

The entire hoax was a co-production between Hitlery and Obozo. Obozo’s entire history is that of manufacturing lies about his political enemies to engineer their electoral loss. Clintoon’s entire history is the same, lie/cheat to win by any means necessary.

Very easy for them to fabricate the entire thing and then easy to blame the “Russians” for it, as they are known bogeymen that the sheep will quickly believe any story about.


40 posted on 02/11/2018 8:38:41 PM PST by Newtoidaho (Proud member of Trump's army of online trolls)
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