Posted on 11/27/2017 7:32:43 AM PST by jmaroneps37
The list of Republicans who voted NO on the Tax bill makes a very clear statement about the future of their party in the Blue States. They are a dozen or so poor souls clinging to the old politics way of doing things. Knowing he had the votes to pass a tax bill that would destroy the states these people come from, Speaker Paul Ryan gave them permission to vote NO.
In old pre-Trump politics this would shield them from effective attacks and save their jobs; but those days are over.
The bill contains the greatest attack by a majority party on the minority party in at least 80 years. It will end the SALT “State and Local Tax” deduction from federal income tax returns.
This will mean those who live in what the media and Democrats derisively call “Flyover Country” will no longer be forced to subsidize the Democrats purchase of votes using their tax money.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has called the SALT elimination a “DISASTER” for his state. Do we need more to convince us SALT is a great start for dismantling the Democrats shake down system of squeezing all Americans to pay for their vote buying schemes?
As time goes by – and make no mistake it won’t be a long time – middle class MAKERS will abandon the 10 or so states owned and controlled by Democrats because the “make up taxes” (see things like soda tax) will be just too much to carry.
When this happens more TAKERS will arrive as they will be squeezed out of the other 40 states by things like workfare, food stamp cuts and threats of deportation.
The unavoidable result of these factors will be that Democrats will be sealed into 10 states that look like Hawaii. They will no longer be able to offer a threat to Republican power on the national stage.
In 2018 the Democrats will take back most if not all of the few Republican seats in these states and “seem” to be gaining strength; but it will be an illusion. The 2020 census redistricting will draw away congressional districts lost by the hollowing out Blue States and give them to Red States. Lost seats will be made up enough to maintain a working majority for the Republicans.
Enforcement of voter identification laws will lead to discouraged and financially destroyed Democrats quitting politics.
Deportation and voter ID enforcement will make Blacks the Democrats’ only reliable minority group.
This will result in Democrats being forced to support things like Reparations and a separate Black nation to bow to the radical leftists in the Black Congressional Caucus. It will be calamitous for the Democrats.
As taxes rise in Blue States to provide Democrats with the money to buy votes, industries like Wall Street and Department store shopping that do not need a brick and mortar location will find it much cheaper to move to a Red State.
When they awake to these factors Senate Republicans will pass the tax bill. They will come to realize that their hatred of Donald Trump pales before the opportunity for lifetime job security his tax plan presents to them.
Blue state conservatives had no hand in the BS welfare state of our respective states but we are now considered expenable.
Piss off.
I guess my child tax credits are somehow a subsidy?
Yep—those red staters here reveling in the idea of the middle class in blue states will have to pay more probably just haven’t taken a good enough look at these bills yet.
Sorry, but this is not true. The democrats have attacked the republicans at a much more furious level numerous times in the last 80 years.
However, this very well may be the most effective (potential) attack of the republicans against the dems in modern times.
“And what of the millions of patriots, families, churches, veterans, and conservatives who live, worship, and raise children in states like CA, NY, MN, NJ, MA, CT, IL, and others? Are they simply expendable political cannon fodder? Their lives can be destroyed in some half assed political sham of a tax bill? I guess we are longer the United States of America, and the GOPe cares nothing about the middle class.”
They can agitate for lower taxes with the millions of moderate Democrats who become moderate Republicans or they can move to a lower tax state.
But it’s nice to know that your patriotism is limited by the pain you feel in your wallet.
I have been a proponent of every body pays and everybody pays the same percent, period. I have a great recollection of earning a few K back when I was in Army 1968 with a part year regular income. My personal exemption and the standard deduction removed about half my income from the bottom rate which was 15%. I believe the exemption was $600 and the SD something like 1000 or 10% of gross. (BTW, there was a surcharge of tax in 68). So, everyone pays, period. I am tired of this group that group they have this problem they have that problem. Lastly, if you pay in less than your “credits” you do not get any money.
You are so reliably clueless, Nifster.
WA and TX are both net “takers”. But those paying over 9% in sales tax might disagree on it being a “no tax” state.
After Ontario/Alberta taxpayers pay their fed taxes there is a provincial budget. The provinces with a surplus share with the provinces that don't. On principle, is that right or wrong? You could say, the have not provinces deduct the provincial taxes they pay, and Alberta/Ontario pick up the tab. Is that fair?
Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don't delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states. The fact that blue states are net contributors because they have a large number of corporate headquarters reporting their taxes from that zip code doesn't mean squat really.
We have a mentally challenged Democrat governor, but both houses of the legislature are (narrowly) in the hands of the Republicans.
So, they can do something about the tax burden here.
As for other "victim" states under this bill, maybe the voters should do something about getting rid of tax-and-spend politicians.
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“Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don’t delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states. ”
CA, often sited as a net payer is not really. Sacramento says it is, but only by a couple percent. TX and FL, also sited often, would probably rank similarly to CA if they had gone along with Medicaid expansion.
Perhaps it will wake up the people who live in those states & get them motivated to demand that their politicians keep their expenses down & lower those high taxes.
I lived in Calif for over 40 years.
High taxes was a major factor in my moving out of that state forever.
The only way THAT will happen is with great public outcry and primarying out any who oppose term limits. Unlikely, for sure. Unless enough of us scream, yell and demonstrate enough.
“Typically the calculations used to get to the figure you cite don’t delineate they type of federal money coming in to the states.”
CA receives the most in military spending. AND the most in welfare spending.
But their taxpayers pay so much that they are still a net donor state.
Minnesota is a good example of this red/blue tax state nonsense. General Mills reports out of Minneapolis for tax purposes, thus it appears that Minneapolis ‘produces’ lots of income. Does that makes sense to count it as all coming from a “Blue” area?
There is no such mechanize for state to state other than stop deductions of the taxes paid at the fed. level.(Nevada can't force California to the negotiation table for stupid spending).
You are mixing them up.
By state is an absurd way to count. Orange County is not the same as Oakland.
Turn it around. Why should those who through careful planning and use of resources, or even just good luck managed to leave a substantial estate have it ripped away and redistributed to the non-planning, less capable or less lucky?
mechanize..mechanism
I will believe this bill passes when I see it, not one second before.
One lobbyist group will stop it, imho—that is the National Association of Realtors.
The deduction of mortgage interest hits new buyers very hard and would keep younger buyers out of the market (in all states, btw).
There are arguments for and against this bill, but in the end I will be very surprised if it passes with the mortgage interest deduction eliminated.
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