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I know his won't be a popular opinion here.
1 posted on 09/20/2017 3:16:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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healthy manufacturing = healthy middle-class


2 posted on 09/20/2017 3:19:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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No everything electronic is made by Chinese slave labor. Those are the robots.


3 posted on 09/20/2017 3:19:54 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. .)
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Because only the ChiComs can have any manufacturing operations, right?


6 posted on 09/20/2017 3:21:43 PM PDT by matt04
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I am no luddite, but I have some level of concern about automation. It will decrease the need for human labor.

But not all humans are capable of being systems analysts, AI programmers or network architects.

I think we might want to look into forming self-sustaining communities where people know how to farm, build houses, create and maintain machines. Not so much because they need these skills to survive — automation is likely to create a post-scarcity world where you have “stuff” and way too much time. Back to the land movements can be good because the alternative is to sit and home and watch The View on TV all day long.

Basic skills, it seems to me, are always a good thing to teach.


7 posted on 09/20/2017 3:24:12 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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Are robots going to fix your car or build your house?


8 posted on 09/20/2017 3:26:19 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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He’s right. Automation is taking manufacturing jobs away around the world. You can bring back the manufacturing but the jobs will stay gone. If you look at gross output the manufacturing sector in America is quite strong, it’s only when you start looking at the job numbers that things get rough. And that’s not improving.


12 posted on 09/20/2017 3:28:41 PM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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>>I know his won’t be a popular opinion here.

Because most people don’t read past the headline or understand the purpose of the John Dewey method of education.

School, and undergrad college, teaches people to color inside the lines, to regurgitate facts, and to follow set schedules. It makes productive and compliant little citizens, not innovators. It rewards the loud extroverts and declares the introspective to be broken.

We will never be a manufacturing nation again (until the Progressives/Globalists destroy our way of life and force us to accept Third World wages).


13 posted on 09/20/2017 3:28:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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“Moving forward, Ma said he believes the service industry will be the largest engine of job creation.”

We heard that already, right before our middle class got wiped out.


14 posted on 09/20/2017 3:30:34 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smart-ass disorder.)
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Danny Noonan: I've always wanted to go to college.

Judge Smails: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.

16 posted on 09/20/2017 3:31:12 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Whig Party died when it fled the great fight of its century. Ditto for the Republicans now.)
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America is vastly overpopulated, especially with imbeciles and illiterate, unskilled “immigrants”, who will be nothing but a drag on our economy and fiscal well-being for a long time. Obama even let in NATIVE Central Americans who don’t even speak Spanish! They came in by the tens of thousands, wrecking schools and social services. We need to end chain migration for ALL immigrants, stop unskilled immigration cold and adopt a New Zealand-like filter. We also need to stop subsidizing childbearing with tax breaks and the unearned “Earned Income Tax Credit” with Additional Credit. Why do we want stupid people reproducing? If they do, cut off welfare at the last child’s level. Automation changes EVERYTHING as far as population growth feeding the pension system. That is all over. Yet idiot libertarians continue to spew that nonsense.


17 posted on 09/20/2017 3:33:24 PM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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Stupid.


18 posted on 09/20/2017 3:34:08 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Constantly doing things in opposition to human nature is insanity.)
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Let the robots try biomanufacturing.

Or prototyping (i.e., making anything new.)

Or customized products.

BIG FAIL!!!!

We cannot become a nation of McDonald’s or Walmart workers in the “service industry”. Or those who treat elders as trash as “assisted living” workers. This is a recipe for a downward standard of living, among other things. PHOOEY!!!!


19 posted on 09/20/2017 3:38:36 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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If you don’t have the manufacturing processes, then you don’t have the robotic processes either.

It’s not going to be an instant transition from skilled labor to robotics.

Someone has to service the robots. Someone has to program the robots. Someone has to design the product. Someone has to design the manufacturing process.

We need as much manufacturing in this country as we can get. And we can worry about the transitions later.


23 posted on 09/20/2017 3:43:32 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Seems like only yesterday I was reading an analysis of the devastation wrought on carriage and buggy whip manufacturing by introduction of the automobile.

My understanding is that the US economy has yet to recover from the event.


24 posted on 09/20/2017 3:44:20 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician/Journalist. Some assembly required.)
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Alvin Toffler got there way way before you jack.

The way I see it is we’ll develop into two classes. The Gentry and the Serfs. The Gentry will propagate through inheritance and legacy acceptance into major universities and corporate board.


27 posted on 09/20/2017 3:59:54 PM PDT by Fhios (Down with your fascism, up with our fascism.)
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President Donald Trump... made promises to restore U.S. manufacturing jobs.....

I think we can and should restore some manufacturing jobs, but I don't think the workers at these plant will enjoy the same level of prosperity that factory workers enjoyed in, say the 1960's.

32 posted on 09/20/2017 4:08:55 PM PDT by libertylover (Inhabitants of Earth with any freedom probably have the USA to thank.)
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Robots are already taking over manufacturing and inventory here and everywhere. Your average manufacturing joe, who’s either just out of prison or a High School drop out will be out of a job and skills in about 5-10 years. That’s how fast this is moving.

Even “thinking” jobs are rapidly being replaced by robots, AI, and other programs. Cars, forklifts, cranes, rail, even kitchens/restaurants will replace people with robots in a few short years unless something impedes the progress of the technology.


33 posted on 09/20/2017 4:11:53 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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This article is especially ridiculous because China’s economic rise is entirely due to labor intensive manufacturing. The only reason Jack Ma’s company exists is because so much of the world’s manufacturing has relocated to China. Because China is a deeply corrupt dictatorship with no functioning judicial system and a culture of rip offs, he serves as an intermediary that allows non-Chinese to buy Chinese manufactured products with some protections. This racket would fall apart instantly if China’s share of world manufacturing dropped to 80’s levels. Ma’s wealth and power is dependent on manufacturing staying in China. This is classic advice given in bad faith.


35 posted on 09/20/2017 4:31:50 PM PDT by WatchungEagle
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We were being fed this line of crap in the 1980’s.


36 posted on 09/20/2017 4:38:19 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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I heard doomsayers 50 years ago, back in the early sixties, warning that computers were going to take away jobs from humans. Now it's AI and robots. Yet somehow the number of jobs has doubled and doubled again in the meantime.
38 posted on 09/20/2017 7:23:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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