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What is the difference between Nazism and Communism?

Posted on 08/14/2017 7:25:38 AM PDT by bryan999

Getting sick of liberals telling me that "the right" = Nazis.

I have found that liberals twitch and sputter out of control when they're asked to describe the difference between Nazism and Communism. They can't seem to do it.... and it's usually because they don't have any clue whatsoever.

The answer is that there isn't much of a difference at all. Just different "flavors" really.

But despite all this, libs are quick to associate the so-called "right wing" and conservatives and Trump supporters with Neo-nazis??? How does that work ?

Has anyone seen the various "platforms" of some of these neo-nazi groups ? They read like Democrat platforms!

Ok, that is all... please discuss.....


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To: Dalberg-Acton

Actually Stalin was more for “National Socialism”, or as it called it, “Socialism in One Country”. He also rejected the Internationalism of Lenin and Trotsky, in favor of complete “Russification” of the Soviet Union, and a continuation, of the same policies of the Russian Empire with regards to colonization of Finland and Poland.


21 posted on 08/14/2017 7:46:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bryan999

One of the best ways to shut them up is to show them Heinrich Himmler’s quotes on gun control.


22 posted on 08/14/2017 7:48:29 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: DiogenesLamp

The bottom line is that Nazism and Communism are merely based on the whim of the Strongman leading the country at the time, it’s whatever they say it is, but it’s always about Centralized control.


23 posted on 08/14/2017 7:49:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
And Nazis and Communists got along real peachy from August 1939, to June 1941.

According to Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn's book "Leftism Revisted", the Nazis and the German Communists originated from the same splinter groups of German Socialists.

He asserts in his book that the Nazi Flag, (Red Background/White Center with a Swastika) Were originally made from Communist "Hammer and Sickle" flags over which a Swastika was placed to cover up the Hammer and Sickle. That is why the Nazi flags were Red. The original Communist flags from which they were made were Red.

24 posted on 08/14/2017 7:50:07 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Nazism (really Fascism on Streiods) differs only in focus—one stresses nationalism and national tribalism the other international Marxism. The only real difference is Nazism has a larger military budget and better uniforms.


25 posted on 08/14/2017 7:51:34 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: bryan999

“What is the difference between Nazism and Communism?”
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Any difference betwixt a Lib and a RINO????

That’s just an opening non-question!

It all goes much, much deeper!

Semper TRUMP...If we can keep him!
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26 posted on 08/14/2017 7:51:43 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: DiogenesLamp

In fact, Stalin was relieved that the Nazis gained power over the Communists in Germany, because he felt that a Communist Germany would ultimately have rivaled the Soviet Union for leadership of the Communist movement. His agents basically turned over most of the German Communists over to the Gestapo.


27 posted on 08/14/2017 7:53:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: gunnyg

It’s like the difference between a Blood and a Crip.


28 posted on 08/14/2017 7:54:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bryan999

Basically, National Socialism and Marxism are the same thing. - Adolph Hitler


29 posted on 08/14/2017 7:55:03 AM PDT by RatRipper (Unindicted co-conspirators: the Mainstream Media and the Democratic Party)
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To: dfwgator

great flag!


30 posted on 08/14/2017 7:57:10 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: bryan999

The main difference is that Nazism is NATIONAL socialism, whereas communism is INTERNATIONAL socialism.


31 posted on 08/14/2017 7:58:37 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: bryan999

Oth are variations of socialism, which Marx called lower communism.

Nazi stands for nationalized socialism.

So when liberals call Naziism right-wing, I’d start there in correcting them. It is something simple that they can understand.

That Fascism is socialism with government control of private industry, while still having private ownership is too much for their little brains to understand.


32 posted on 08/14/2017 7:58:49 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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To: bryan999

There are some common things so first look at the general case:

There are evil people out there that desire power most of all in life. They want this power to suppress others while enriching themselves and their friends.

Yet they are outnumbered, so they have to convince others to put them in power, i.e., they need a marketing plan.

Some people accept the marketing plan, others don’t. Of those that believe the marketing, there are useful idiots and true believers.

The useful idiots sit on the sidelines echoing the marketing plan. The true believers sign up to actually assist those desiring power because they truly believe in the cause outlined in the marketing plan. They don’t recognize that the true goal is power.

Now for the specific:

The only root difference between communist and nazi is the marketing plan.

Nazis capitalized on the tribalist and naturalist part of human nature to convince others that there was a master race (of which they were apart), that is superior to all others, has an inherent right to the land and its controlling authority. Inferior races must be cleansed.

Communists capitalize on the envious part of human nature to convince others that there are those manipulating them to keep them down. The state must control the economy and distribute fairly.

Note that both of these capitalize on negative aspects of human nature. They both promise freedom for some, but not for others.

And perhaps most importantly, note that both systems require totalitarian power, so once actually in power, the only way to free yourself is through force. Those pushing the marketing plan conveniently leave out this annoying detail.

Only a system that promises freedom for all, marketing the positive aspects of human nature is just. It’d also have to be a system that limits the actual government so it does not have totalitarian power, nor make it easy to obtain.

The only such system in the history of mankind was the free market capitalist system established by the founders of the United States.

But that’s long gone.


33 posted on 08/14/2017 8:00:25 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: bryan999
...libs are quick to associate the so-called "right wing" and conservatives and Trump supporters with Neo-nazis??? How does that work ?

It works because plenty of "conservatives" aren't conservative at all. They actually love big government, as long is it is doing their bidding.

Lots of lefties and lots of righties want an all-powerful, centralized government. They just disagree on who that government should have their thumb on.

34 posted on 08/14/2017 8:00:45 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: bryan999; All
For those that haven't seen 'The Soviet Story', it does a good job explaining the origins and similarities between nazism and communism

The Soviet Story-YouTube
35 posted on 08/14/2017 8:00:50 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America. Treat them accordingly.)
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To: CottonBall

That Fascism is socialism with government control of private industry, while still having private ownership is too much for their little brains to understand.


You are so correct. And that private ownership is actually on loan from the state and can be revoked at any time. Fascism is NOT capitalism.


36 posted on 08/14/2017 8:02:51 AM PDT by samtheman (As an oil exporter, why would the Russians prefer Trump to Hillary? (Get it or be stupid.))
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To: dfwgator

China isn’t pure communism, anymore.


37 posted on 08/14/2017 8:08:21 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a humble Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Electric Graffiti

From “The Soviet Story”:

‘The left ultimately opposed nazism because hitler distorted marxism beyond recognition.

Gassing people based on their nationality was inexcusable...The selection should be based on class!

Hitler got it all wrong, absolutely DIFFERENT people should be killed.’

Pretty much sums up the difference...


38 posted on 08/14/2017 8:08:42 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America. Treat them accordingly.)
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To: bryan999

Communists make no pretense at private ownership of anything, and desire a one world Communist Utopia. This always winds up becoming a dictatorship because whoever is mean enough to deprive others of their property siezes it and keeps it for themselves. End result- totalitarian state. Fascism opposes the global aspect of communism with intense nationalism, makes a pretense at private property but due to a belief that only dictatorship can lead a nation, becomes a totalitarian state. Think of them both as failed attempts to create perfect societies, with the same result but different goals.


39 posted on 08/14/2017 8:09:15 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: bryan999

The difference, the Commies murdered millions more than the Nazis, but were smart enough to destroy most of the evidence, and hid the bodies that are now being discovered. If given power, they (Communists) would do it again, with no remorse. One party control means no limit to their power. The Nazis copied the camps from Russia. Ever notice there are maps showing the Nazi camps, but very few ever show the Stalin era camps. Judging from the scale of people forced to die in the USSR there isn’t enough room for all the dots. If anyone brings that up, the left immediately accuses you of being a Nazi sympathizer. Russia could never pay reparations for all those who were sent away to disappear, or just murdered on the spot. (They called voiced political dissent treason.) Both systems were based on terror to control the population. If you use terror and forced labor, you are not for freedom. Those who use terror will promise you milk and honey in life, but they only deliver fire and brimstone, and repeat the darkest part of history. Nazis and Communism, same crap in different wrapper but one comes in the larger King size package.


40 posted on 08/14/2017 8:13:54 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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