Posted on 07/29/2017 9:08:32 AM PDT by LS
On Twitter I just did a thread about how a new party that would replace the Republicans might come into being.
1. I don't think this can happen by 2018. Not enough prep time.
2. It should not copy the Reform Party and try to start, de novo, all at once.
3. It needs to begin within the GOP but (unlike the Tea Party) ALWAYS with the intention of going solo.
4. A candidate in 2018, for example, would run as an R but affix an "AmericaFirst/MAGA" affiliation. Start getting the brand out. This is key to name recognition on ballots.
5. At the same time, said candidates need to be talking very frankly with donors saying, "Next time I run, it will be with the AmericaFirst/MAGA Party" and I'll need your help more than ever.
6. When possible, FLIP the "R" and "AmericaFirst/MAGA") to "AmericaFirst/MAGA" THEN R. (This is exactly what the "Democratic Republicans" of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison did in 1800-1810 until all that remained was the "Republicans."
7. In 2020, make the jump.
8. Trump should endorse CANDIDATES, but not specifically the AmericaFirst Party until 2020.
10. My thought is that HE would have to remain an R in 2020---it's still going to be relatively close in pop votes in a number of states, even though he likely will win more electoral votes than today.
11. As soon as he wins in 2020, he makes the registration change and from that point for the next four years it's all "AmericaFirst/MAGA."
12. This won't be easy. It will be brutal. MANY good candidates will lose due to confusion, Rs putting up multiple decoys, etc. We have to be ready.
13. It's all about name recognition. See Lisa (the COW) MurCOWski and how she screwed Miller by running as an independent with her superior name recognition.
But it can be done. I think this is our best shot in years. Someone said, "The Rs would just coopt it like they did the Tea Party." Well, that wasn't exactly what happened to the TP. In many cases, people just quit after the election thinking they had done their job, and not realizing that politics these days is 24/7. Toomey is a great example. After he got elected, no one held his feet to the fire.
Second, the Tea Party did not understand that winning is about GOVERNING, not just winning the election. I know personally of a county in OH that kicked out a reasonably good GOP chairman and replaced him with a TP guy who would "bring in more TP types." Except they guy couldn't fundraise, couldn't speak to the old-line GOP, so the party lost serious ground & he had to resign.
We shouldn't think (as I'm sure most of you don't) that just cause they are AmericaFirst/MAGA they are political stars. Some will be good, some will be losers. Sorting all this out is a difficult process, but it is a process and everyone has to be willing to stick it out.
>> In fact, the above was the 1992 election <<
Yes, and not too different from the 1912 election, where TR’s splitting the GOP gave us Woodrow Wilson and all the bad things that came from having such a hubristic, “progressive” and unrealistically idealistic theoretician in the WH.
Ditch the MAGA stuff. This isn’t about Trump.
Just call it something with the name “conservative”. It should hold true to conservative principals until the exit generation redefines what conservatism means.
Without severe erm limits each Congressman has a very high value to corporations and ideological formations and the Congressmen are paid what they are worth to keep them on the Plantation. With severe term limits that value declines tremendously and Congressmen might well find it more profitable or more to their fancy to do what the voters sent them to do instead of just securing lifetime sinecures for their post-Congressional careers and large money inflows in their current Congressional careers. If a businessman haaas to return to his community after 2 or 6 years and function in a private role there without a huge lobbyist provided cushion, he will do what he can to satisfy his constituents and maybe past and future customers and clients.
“People are disgusted with where the DemocRAT Party has taken the country”
I have trouble believing that, but if you can show me a SINGLE Democrat Senator facing a Primary challenge for being too liberal, I might believe you.
But until then, all I see is ROCK-SOLID UNITY by the Democrats. (we might want to consider some of that under Trump, by the way)
if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the...House [of Representatives] shall...chuse the President. --U.S.Const. Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 3.
You would need a constitutional amendment to implement your idea.
We should not go by a political party label or tag anyway - we should go by their RECORD as private citizen or otherwise and what they stand for by using CAVEAT EMPTOR, let the buyer - in this case the voter - beware.
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EXACTLY! It’s the MAN, not the party. When either party puts themselves above the interests of the NATION (which they will eventually do) there is no winning to be found.
>> no president’s popularity lasts long enough to build a wholly new party on <<
And likewise, I guess we could say also that no president’s UNPOPULARITY lasts long enough to build a wholly new party on.
Specifically, the Whig Party was inspired in large part by the Hate-Andrew-Jackson movement. But in spite a few good ideas, the Whigs never found a magic formula that would let the Party long outlive the death of Jackson and the death of the leading Whig guru, Henry Clay.
Every word you’ve written is critically important, especially the final sentence. The citizenry is so far removed from truly educated about our original republic, that it will indeed take divine intervention and blessing to bring about His second huge miracle for our nation. I keep reminding myself the things that are impossible with Man, are possible with God. Thank you for posting your thoughts.
> You would need a constitutional amendment to implement your idea. <
Yes, I agree. The section of the Constitution you referenced only applies if there is no overall (national) electoral majority. The problem with third parties is that they upset the apple cart within individual states.
if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the...House [of Representatives] shall...chuse the President. --U.S.Const. Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 3.
You would need a constitutional amendment to implement your idea.
FR being kind of funky - sorry for the double post.
“America First” makes swing voters wonder about Hitler.
WTFlip???
If that’s what it does to swing voters, then we’re in worse shape than we’ve thought.
I happen to DISAGREE with you, x.
Swing votes, those who crossed over to vote for Trump, overwhelmingly seem to put America first...over foreigners who’ve taken their jobs...either here, or overseas.
They want us to leave.
But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt 24:36. Watch therefore: for you know not what hour your Lord does come. Matt 24:42
Modern American political parties depend on mass support, and when a party's elected officials disappoint its supporters, the efficient and reliable remedy is to replace those elected officials in primaries or await or work for their defeat in the general election.
Otherwise, creating a new political party to displace an existing one requires developing mass support, an expensive and time-consuming task akin to establishing a new mass retailer to compete with WalMart and Target. Not likely.
Moreover, as with retailers facing a new rival, the party targeted can adjust their issues and performance to prevent support for the new party from solidifying and getting large enough to be a danger. For example, even with major funding and as the big libertarian issue of marijuana legalization is gaining victories, the Libertarian Party itself remains a marginal influence as a political party.
As for the health care issue, I am confident that GOP members of Congress will get pummelled by their constituents during the summer and holiday recesses. They will return with stiffened spines and renewed worry over the prospects for keeping their majorities.
OK, I’m all for a term limit constitutional amendment if it’s done right.
But that still can’t replace the American people waking up and grabbing hold of THEIR freedom, THEIR Constitution, and THEIR freedom.
After all these bums must be elected. An awake populace will throw the bums out without term limits and one way or the other, that is what needs to happen.
Thank you and God bless, and God bless America..
Your conception of a political party requires a high degree of knowledge and virtue. I am not sanguine of the chances for success with such a limitation.
I guess. Basically I’m only talking about the American People rising up and taking back their country and their Constitution. It’s already started and not without God’s help. God will to continue to help and we will win.
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