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What Might a New Party Formation Look Like?
self | 7/29/2017 | LS

Posted on 07/29/2017 9:08:32 AM PDT by LS

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To: Leaning Right

“That’s actually the only realistic option. Starting a new party is easy. But getting it up and running - and winning elections - would take an enormous amount of money.”

But the problem with keeping within the Republican party is what Trump is facing now - the money us with the establishment, aka the RINOs that don’t want change. They will stab in the back anyone who tries.

No, we need to start clean. A revolution might be the only way, and even then might not take power from the elite,
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61 posted on 07/29/2017 11:49:22 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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To: Jim 0216
Those of the Constitution Party can enter the contest. Even President Trump can enter the contest. The people will have a say in deciding what type of party it will be. The show will annihilate the Dems and the GOP with satire that will put Saturday Night Live to shame. Big name comedians will participate along with political experts giving their commentary. The contestants will also give their commentary and the public will vote for who they want on line or through their phones.

It is being produced by Mark Burnett . . .

62 posted on 07/29/2017 11:49:55 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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To: Rockingham

Not necessarily. The Whig party “stood,” but was replaced. The Federalists stood, but were replaced. The Democratic Republicans were replaced.

I understand, different times in terms of money, but what a man can conceive can be done.


63 posted on 07/29/2017 12:01:08 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: EQAndyBuzz

We already have a Constitution Party. Doesn’t work.


64 posted on 07/29/2017 12:02:48 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: LS

I really like the idea. There seems to be a lot of folks who think it will split the party, however I see this as only one person running as an R with the added benefit of adding a MAGA to the designation if they have been on the Trump train. Also, we are starting to see a lot of dems who really like what Trump is doing. If they wanted to run with a MAGA tagline to their D designation, you would have a choice between a never trumper, with an R, or perhaps a solid Trump supporter who happened to be a life long democrat.


65 posted on 07/29/2017 12:04:27 PM PDT by magglepuss
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To: LS

Not sure of the advantage as Trump has already conducted a hostile takeover of the R party. Why not continue to transform it rather than starting from scratch? Take a while to drain all the swampy areas, but a couple of good elections would go a long way. He’s going to have to use the bully pulpit and all his persuasive powers to get good replacement candidates elected. Not jacked-up tea party nuts who can’t even get their own party’s support or solid locks like Ryan has in WI which just divert energy from good candidates who have a good chance of winning. If Reince wants to be useful he could go work on this instead of turning up on CNN...


66 posted on 07/29/2017 12:07:33 PM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: LS; Ann Archy; Clutch Martin; arkfreepdom; Parley Baer; Kalamata; mountainlion; SamAdams76; ...
It looks like NO centralized party. The Tea Party was right about that. It looks like grassroots freedom-loving Americans among the various partisan factions uniting together under a PURPOSE rather than a centralized party, to take down the Deep State Swamp and restore our Free Constitutional Republic.

The next thing after you create a political party is the party takes on a life of its own dedicated to its own preservation, like the GOP. Centralized political parties always have and always will place its own political survival ahead of the best interests of America. No good.

If you have to, make it a DECENTRALIZED "America First Party". A "tag" next to their party or Independent affiliation might work also. The problem is so many pledge allegiance to a centralized party instead of America. You also have those who will see political advantage in all of this and don't really believe what the political label is supposed to mean.

We should not go by a political party label or tag anyway - we should go by their RECORD as private citizen or otherwise and what they stand for by using CAVEAT EMPTOR, let the buyer - in this case the voter - beware. Ferret them out. Force confrontation of candidates to smoke out the phonies. DON'T go by political labels and DON'T let the Lying Leftist media run OUR show. One thing we MUST organize is a process to ferret out these candidates using our own resources and if necessary our own media outlets. THAT's what we should be working on right now. And after all of that, if they're elected and turn out to be corrupt, THROW THE BUMS OUT.

The trail of good intentions is littered with the dead or half-dead carcasses of centralized parties like "the Constitution Party" and "the Libertarian Party". Instead, we need enough Americans to catch a vision for a free and restored AMERICA. We need enough Americans who have taken it upon themselves to educate themselves to understand and assimilate THEIR Declaration of Independence and THEIR Constitution.

We need enough Americans who understand our goal is the restoration of our Free Constitutional Republic.

Now that we have a fighter in the WH, the next objective to meet the goal of restoring our Free Constitutional Republic is restoring the constitutional independent sovereignty of the states. That means the people of each state MUST decide to kick the state-politician bums out and put in non-politician haters of financial dependence on the feds and lovers of constitutional freedom from the feds. THAT is a VERY BIG deal that almost NEVER gets talked about.

Getting the states straightened out means among other things getting more non-politician, America-lovers into Congress.

On the Executive Branch side, restoring our Free Constitutional Republic means preparing NOW for 2024. We MUST get the right guy in the WH in 2024 to finish what Trump has started - a fearless fighter who is ready, willing, and able to dismantle the unconstitutional 80% of the federal government which would mean sending home packing hundreds of thousands of officials, bureaucratic heads, and government workers without a job. Weep not for them - American will cheer, the economy will boom, and soon they'll all have plenty of opportunities to make a living like many, many, more Americans.

No political party per se will do all of this. And all of this MUST be done.

As it was in 1776, so now, our reliance must be on the God of Divine Providence who miraculously birthed America then, and will miraculously restore America's Free Constitutional Republic now.

67 posted on 07/29/2017 12:12:01 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: CottonBall

> A revolution might be the only way... <

How about this first: A Constitutional amendment directing that if no one person gets a majority of votes, then a run-off election must be held.

That way, Democrat vs. Republican vs. Team MAGA ... hopefully the runoff would be Democrat vs. Team MAGA. Then conservative money would switch from the GOP (now out) to team MAGA.

Just thinkin’ out loud here.


68 posted on 07/29/2017 12:13:10 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Hawthorn

Oh, sorry. Perhaps next time I’ll let the TROLLS (or FReepers effectively doing the work of trolls) have the thread to themselves and push for a NEW POLITICAL ALIGNMENT:

Democrats: 45% of the country
Republicans: 20% of the country
New Party: 30% of the country
Others: 5% of the country (i.e., Libertarian/Greens)

Yep, that sounds like a SURE FIRE way to beat the Democrats. Sure does. [only question: how does it work when the above gives Dems 300+ seats in the House, 65+ seats in the Senate, plus the White House? - but we won’t go there, will we]

In fact, the above was the 1992 election, where H. Ross Perot had the percentage of the “Republican Party”, above.


69 posted on 07/29/2017 12:15:32 PM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Leaning Right

No, that is tyranny of the majority, exactly why the Founders in their wisdom put the electoral college in.

POTUS by majority vote would mean CA, NY and FL picks our POTUS every time.


70 posted on 07/29/2017 12:18:34 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: LS

......”What Might a New Party Formation Look Like?”......

Nothing that we are seeing now or that’s attempting to formulate alternative ones now LS.

What it will be in the end is if our Constitution stands for it is that which is a stake.


71 posted on 07/29/2017 12:22:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: arkfreepdom
Finish the takeover of pub party. We have the head.

A takeover? Uh, no. The "head" are all owned lock, stock, and barrell by the Cheap Labor Express cabal. They're not giving the Republican Party up. The "head" are their employees.

72 posted on 07/29/2017 12:27:37 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (RuPaul and Yertle - our illustrious Republican leaders up the Hill - God help us!)
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To: LS
Not gonna happen.

"America First" makes swing voters wonder about Hitler.

And no president's popularity lasts long enough to build a wholly new party on.

73 posted on 07/29/2017 12:29:58 PM PDT by x
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To: BobL
Oh, sorry. Perhaps next time I’ll let the TROLLS (or FReepers effectively doing the work of trolls) have the thread to themselves and push for a NEW POLITICAL ALIGNMENT:

Democrats: 45% of the country
Republicans: 20% of the country
New Party: 30% of the country
Others: 5% of the country (i.e., Libertarian/Greens)

Yep, that sounds like a SURE FIRE way to beat the Democrats. Sure does. [only question: how does it work when the above gives Dems 300+ seats in the House, 65+ seats in the Senate, plus the White House? - but we won’t go there, will we]

In fact, the above was the 1992 election, where H. Ross Perot had the percentage of the “Republican Party”, above.

Have to re-do your percentages. Things have changed since the 90s...

"Socialist, Anti-American" Democrats: 25% of the country
"New" Republicans (a subsidiary of the Democrats): 20% of the country
New Party: 50% of the country
Others: 5% of the country (i.e., Libertarian/Greens)

People are disgusted with where the DemocRAT Party has taken the country. Many former Democrats will join the New Party. As for the McConnell/Ryan "Cheap Labor Express" Republicans, Trump can win enough people away from that group.

74 posted on 07/29/2017 12:35:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (RuPaul and Yertle - our illustrious Republican leaders up the Hill - God help us!)
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To: Jim 0216

> No, that is tyranny of the majority, exactly why the Founders in their wisdom put the electoral college in. <

My suggestion in no way would eliminate the Electoral College. I am, in fact, strongly in favor of it.

Let’s consider this hypothetical. It’s the 2024 presidential election. Here’s the result in a winner-take-all state:

Democrat candidate: 40%
Team MAGA candidate: 35%
GOPe candidate: 25%

As it is, the Dem candidate will take all of the state’s electoral votes as Team MAGA and the GOPe have split the conservative vote. This could certainly happen - over and over again - if Team MAGA becomes a viable third party.

Better to hold a run-off, maybe two weeks later, between the Dem’s and Team MAGA.


75 posted on 07/29/2017 12:35:53 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: jonrick46

OK, well for whatever reason, I couldn’t get the link up. FR is funky again lately.

Anyway, I’m all for taking the media and the arts away from the Lying Leftists, so have at it!!!


76 posted on 07/29/2017 12:36:18 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: x
Not gonna happen.

"America First" makes swing voters wonder about Hitler.

And no president's popularity lasts long enough to build a wholly new party on.


Then this country is doomed.

Good thing you're wrong though.

77 posted on 07/29/2017 12:37:33 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (RuPaul and Yertle - our illustrious Republican leaders up the Hill - God help us!)
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To: Jim 0216

Fifty four days to go and the Big Guy takes control so that everyone will notice. Seven years of hell on Earth and then Jesus rules with a rod of iron.


78 posted on 07/29/2017 12:38:38 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: SubMareener

You’re putting entirely too much store in this and need to psychologically prepare yourself for the possibility of being wrong.


79 posted on 07/29/2017 12:40:24 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigbob
Not sure of the advantage as Trump has already conducted a hostile takeover of the R party. Why not continue to transform it rather than starting from scratch? Take a while to drain all the swampy areas, but a couple of good elections would go a long way. He’s going to have to use the bully pulpit and all his persuasive powers to get good replacement candidates elected. Not jacked-up tea party nuts who can’t even get their own party’s support or solid locks like Ryan has in WI which just divert energy from good candidates who have a good chance of winning. If Reince wants to be useful he could go work on this instead of turning up on CNN...

Trump's got until 2018 to see if that tactic will work. Let's see if he can get rid of Ryan. I have to admit, I'm a bit skeptical, but if anyone can pull it off ("it" being Trump holding rallys in Ryan's district overtly supporting a Republican challenger in opposition to Ryan), the President can.

80 posted on 07/29/2017 12:42:23 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (RuPaul and Yertle - our illustrious Republican leaders up the Hill - God help us!)
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