Posted on 02/12/2017 12:20:53 PM PST by EveningStar
Creationists don’t like The Clergy Letter Project, a strong, pro-evolution statement signed by over 13,000 Christian clergymen. Here’s the Wikipedia article on it: Clergy Letter Project. The Project is exceedingly troublesome for creationists because it flatly contradicts their claim that one can’t be a good Christian and also accept evolution.
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Are we back to the evolution vs. creationism debate that vanished from FR many years ago?
I miss the good ol’ days of heated debate.
The main problem that biblical creationists, such as myself, have with evolutionary theory is it’s insistence on a universal common ancestor (a thing which some evolutionists now deny), and the debate over the age of the earth and universe. But the UCA is the most significant point of contention.
Then we can move on to the other problem: there is no actual observation of one species transitioning to another by accident. Humans have designed and implemented new species but that just proves intelligent design is a much more plausible hypothesis.
You mean keeping kosher? ;-D
Jesus is the only man who was right 100% of the time. Ken Ham is a firm believer in Jesus, is saved, and is humble enough to admit his errors when he is wrong...unlike all of his evolution believing (literally unproven science), liberal opponents. I believe that Ken has helped thousands of people accept Jesus Christ as their savior.
Hmmm......
Well, the Zohar is pretty far out there. I don't think 13th Century Jewish mysticism can really be considered cannonical in any broader sense of the Judeo-Christian traditian.
As far as the three part god-head goes, I'm pretty sure that's not Jewish.
Fine, but can you explain WHY and HOW all of the processes shown in this video (made by a Evolutionist) take place?
What moves these molecules?
How do they know where to go?
All of this is assuming that random combinations of atoms PLUS "Billions and Billions" of years of trying could actually assemble machinery like this and write the Code in the first place.
You mean keeping kosher? ;-D
HA!!!
Oh, ya got me!
“Humans have designed and implemented new species but that just proves intelligent design is a much more plausible hypothesis.”
Interesting.
Intelligent Design does not require God.
Humans can engineer via Intelligent Design.
Does this make God irrelevant in the course of human history?
The letter is mostly endorsed by Presbyterians, Methodists, and Episcopols, though Buddists and Jews are also mentioned.
When you have millions of clergy worldwide, it is not that hard to get 13,000 signatures.
Does “much of human knowledge and achievement” rest on the theory of evolution?
It depends. Does the Theory of Evolution include the “old earth” theory? If so, much of geology depends on the theory of evolution. The “old earth” theory was created to explain the facts of geology, not to explain evolution. The “old earth” theory predates evolutionary theory and was necessary for it.
How about DNA and the genetic code? Is that considered part of the theory of evolution? Darwin’s theory was considered discredited until a method was found for variation and replication in specific traits. That method was not found Until the work of Gegor Mendel, the Roman Catholic monk who discovered and essentially invented, genetics, was rediscovered around 1900.
http://www.scientus.org/Mendel-Darwin.html
Mendel’s work was essential for a believable evolutionary mechanism. Mendel’s work led directly to the discovery of DNA, because scientists were trying to figure out how genetics worked. The complexity of DNA is cited by those who promote intelligent design, and evolutionary theorists.
So, I suppose it depends on what you include. I do not think an “old earth” or DNA genetics contradict the Bible.
Obviously, a capricious god could create a universe with all the evidence of an old earth and evolution built in, as a trap or joke on humans. I do not believe God is capricious that way, but Muslims might.
On the other hand, scientific knowledge has plenty of ways for God to have used the evolutionary method to create life and man. The theory of relativity has been cited to show how six days in God’s view could be billions of years in our view.
It seems beyond my pay grade to say that the Science and the Bible contradict each other.
God is beyond scientific knowledge. But science can help us understand the universe.
The Ein Sof sounds an awful lot like the physicists' big bang.
>>Humans have designed and implemented new species <<
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What new species?
I’m not buying viruses, which are nothing but floating pieces of genetic material, or even bacteria which may have been shifted within an acceptable range of genotypes.
The big bang was heralded by many Christians as proof of Biblical teaching.
“That is why, before the Big Bang gained currency, so many scientists were keen to dismiss it, since it seemed to support the Bible story. Some clung to Aristotle’s view of the ‘eternal universe’ without beginning or end; but this theory, and later variants of it, are now deeply discredited.”
I always think it is a little fun to watch the double takes from people on both sides of this inane argument, when you tell them that Charles Darwin had a degree in Theology and was on the HMS Beagle as the ship’s Chaplin. Note also that further research has shown Darwin got nearly as much wrong as he got right.
Yes, but He was much gentler! ;-) He started with three Books or spheres about 10^157 years ago (IIRC). Things just got bigger and the quantums of space-time got smaller, without form and void until about 15 billion years ago when Elohim said “let there be light”. Then matter started popping up all over the universe. This corresponds to the period after the “expansion period” in the Big Bang theory.
Which means that you still have a creator with no beginning, while this is contrary to such texts as,
Psalms 90:2: Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Such a vast complex designed creation requires such Intelligence and powers as are only attributed to deity.
Duh! From everlasting to everlasting thou art God means God is eternal, that is, outside of time. His creation is finite in both and time. It has a beginning and an end. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are how the infinite God manifests inside His creation.
You are defining everlasting to fit your hypothesis. God simply states that He existed before there was any creation, and that He is the Creator, who alone is worthy of faith and worship.
The idea that "In the beginning [Ein Sof] created Elohim" is unScriptural esoteric error.
OK Your the expert. I just try to learn.
OK Your the expert. I just try to learn.
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