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Greenfield: The US Didn’t Create ISIS -- Assad and Saddam Did
FrontPage ^ | November 4, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/07/2015 7:58:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

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1 posted on 11/07/2015 7:58:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

2 posted on 11/07/2015 7:59:14 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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Greenfield: The US Didn’t Create ISIS -- Assad and Saddam Did

I believe the Koran and Hadiths created ISIS. - Tom

3 posted on 11/07/2015 8:00:25 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Louis Foxwell

Bkmrk.


4 posted on 11/07/2015 8:00:49 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I'm fed up.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

But, I believe Hillary and 0bama were running Lybian weapons to them as well as US weapons recovered from Libya. That is what Bengazi was about. The Libyans did not want to turn over the weapons.


5 posted on 11/07/2015 8:01:19 AM PST by MtnClimber (For views of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Who provided the weapons ISIS has gotten their hands on? Who created the vacuum in Northern Iraq and western Syria with recreational war-mongering?

Blaming Assad seems to be blaming the victim. As far as I can understand, Assad protected Christians and other minorities. ISIS filled the gap when they were no longer protected.

6 posted on 11/07/2015 8:04:30 AM PST by grania
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To: Louis Foxwell

The person who is most responsible for the ability for ISIS to rapidly expand is Obama. when he pulled all US troops out of Iraq, who were there to stabilize the victory we had won at great cost...he laid the foundation for it.

And I do not think it was just stupid. I believe he wanted to happen to do accomplish things:

1) To be able to say that Bush had failed in Iraq...when the exact opposite was true.

2) To be able to help spread/solidify/and support his “Arab Spring,” movement.

3) To allow it, combined with the Muslim Brotherhood he hoped would become strong in Egypt, to put Assad down.

It all failed.

Thank God the Egyptian people and military put down the rabid Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The MB were working with Hillary’s state department to help move the arms to militant Jihadists in Syria from Libya. it is what led to the entire Benghazi debacle.

Certainly Saddam Hussein’s militant supporters helped start it...but they were defeated and driven out by the surge...decisively defeated and they had to flee to Syria and live in holes.

Assad is fighting ISIS. They have become a mortal threat to his regime...but the Russians are now in there (again, only because of Osama’s vacuum) fighting ISIS the way we should have.


7 posted on 11/07/2015 8:04:53 AM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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8 posted on 11/07/2015 8:04:54 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: MtnClimber

The State Department and CIA were running weapons to Al Nusrah and many were eventually captured by ISIS. 0bama likes to call them ISIL, probably so weapons falling into the hands of ISIS can be called something different.


9 posted on 11/07/2015 8:05:22 AM PST by MtnClimber (For views of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I agree with this, USA almost considered expanding the war into Syria back in 2004; this is historic fact, Assad cooperated with the Jihadis. Admittedly, one can say there are mitigating factors but Assad, with Syria being a transport route of weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah from Iran shows Syria is a terrorist nation as well.

US under Bush even had diplomatic gripes with the way Jihadi camps were set up in Syria and attacks on US and other forces were carried out from Syria. Of course, those as dumb as rocks and who defend Assad have a sense of history about as long as their thumb.


10 posted on 11/07/2015 8:05:56 AM PST by BeadCounter (,)
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To: Diogenesis
Is that Amb Stevens in the lower photo next to McCain?
11 posted on 11/07/2015 8:06:50 AM PST by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Louis Foxwell

ISIS is just another name for alqueda.


12 posted on 11/07/2015 8:12:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: originalbuckeye

Sure looks like it


13 posted on 11/07/2015 8:14:07 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. � Robert Heinlein)
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To: Louis Foxwell
My husband and I were in the KSA when Daddy Sadaam was in power.
EVERYONE in the Gulf knew what an a-hole he was. The rest of the world NATURALLY ignored the Arab countries around him. What would THEY know about Sadaam? He was "helping" the West against rogue Iran so he was a "good guy."

Then the worm turned and the Hussein family used US weapons against us. And, boy was the USA shocked and surprised. SHOCKED, I mean SHOCKED! How COULD that be?!?!?!

The rest of the Gulf Arabs just shook their respective heads, all covered with "rags," and DIDN'T say "We told you so." The USA didn't even believe its only "friend" (so to speak), the KSA, when it warned the US against Sadaam. Yes, the KSA were friends because THEY had all the petroleum and natural gas on the planet...so to speak.
What else is new?

14 posted on 11/07/2015 8:18:54 AM PST by cloudmountain
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I like this pic of him better

15 posted on 11/07/2015 8:22:58 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Louis Foxwell

This writer really doesn’t get it. Yes, ISIS no doubt has Al Qaeda and Baathist ties. That means its impossible for a normal American to support them. That does not mean Obama and Clinton weren’t supporting them.

That does not mean that the Turks, Qataris, and Saudis weren’t and aren’t supporting them.

The writer hasn’t been paying attention.

We continue to openly support the “rebels” who self-identify as Al Qaeda.

This has been the problem from the beginning. We recruited Al Qaeda to take down Khadafi, and then recruited the same people to take down Assad. They are doing what they were hired to do. Had it worked, hiring our enemies to fight our other enemies, it would have been hailed as genius. And it would have been genius had it not been for the whole head-chopping and Christian-slaughtering PR fiasco. This makes it impossible for American leadership to take credit for it. But we have built the best armed army in the middle east. They have successfully driven a wedge between Iran and Syria, destabilized Assad with the idea of closing Iran’s window to the Mediterranean, and have taken control of Iraq’s oil. If only Obama and State could keep those head-chopping videos out off the internet.

Of course, events have over-taken this strategy. Taking down Assad makes sense as preparation for taking down the Iranian mullahs; eliminating their only mideastern ally. It makes no sense once you’ve decided to give Iran nukes. Unless your plan is Al Qaeda on the Mediterranean, Al Qaeda on Israel’s border. And a middle east devoid of ethnic Christians.


16 posted on 11/07/2015 8:25:58 AM PST by marron
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17 posted on 11/07/2015 8:49:56 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Well, if you consider the "Law of Unintended Consequences" you'd really have to blame George Bush, the younger, for ISIS.
18 posted on 11/07/2015 9:21:37 AM PST by lbryce (OBAMA:Misbegotten, GodForsaken, Bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa)
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To: Jeff Head

I agree with your analysis- Greenfield gets a lot right, but not in this case. There are no good guys any more- maybe there never has been - Chaos everywhere is part of the Globalist plan. Wear us out and confuse us into trusting no one...


19 posted on 11/07/2015 9:22:12 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: lbryce

Not when leaving the troops in Iraq would have likely quelled any growth of ISIS and Bush warned of sectarian violence so to not heed his advice and he be proven right, seems to take all or most of the blame away.

If I don’t take the advice to drive sober after drinking, it’s not the fault of the bartender I bought the alcohol from.


20 posted on 11/07/2015 9:23:58 AM PST by BeadCounter (,)
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