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Greenfield: The US Didn’t Create ISIS -- Assad and Saddam Did
FrontPage ^ | November 4, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/07/2015 7:58:00 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

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Report claims U.S. Government created the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3293153/posts

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US “Created” ISIS As A “Tool” To Overthrow Syria’s President Assad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3293083/posts

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US “Created” ISIS As A “Tool” To Overthrow Syria’s President Assad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3292944/posts


21 posted on 11/07/2015 9:24:45 AM PST by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Louis Foxwell

Greenfield’s right again... thanks for the ping.


22 posted on 11/07/2015 9:59:29 AM PST by GOPJ (policy debates rather then journalist clowns posturing and mugging for their fellow journalistsMNJ.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The US didn't create ISIS?

Somebody better tell Alex Jones!

Jesus Christ: You can't impeach Him and He ain't gonna resign.



23 posted on 11/07/2015 10:32:32 AM PST by rdb3 (SOCIAL MEDIA IS A SEWER!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

This will never be acceptable to liberals.


24 posted on 11/07/2015 11:15:03 AM PST by TBP (with the wrong hand)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
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"Well, yeah, but still,
Death to America!"


25 posted on 11/07/2015 5:29:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Interesting views & analysis. The article fails to explain 2 major issues and points:

1) Ex-Soviet “Stans” one or two more than others are where you’d find pro-ISIS sympathizers, in that part of Russia nowadays. But today’s Russia doesn’t like to keep Islamists in Russia. They are dealt with decisively, when possible & found out. In old Russia i.e. the USSR, they were kept in check even more.

Furthermore, most Islamists do not immigrate, and have never immigrated to Russia; not willingly. The same applies to when Russia was the USSR. They immigrated and were permitted to do so to the West.

Many Iranian Regime mullahs and their cronies, communists, and Islamofascist included, have been in the USA and Western world, and have business & personal investments in the West for 3 decades at least. Not so much in Russia.

2) Let’s assume the USSR back in 1978-79 was responsible for installing the Mullahs regime in Iran. Then again, we know James E. Carter Jr was the U.S. president at the time. and Iran back then was rather closely allied to the U.S.

More importantly, Why is it that after nearly 4 decades, successive U.S. administrations, Democrat or Republican have failed to address the Islamist issue in Iran?

The above are fundamental questions which I’m waiting for the author and Frontpagemag to address in-depth.


26 posted on 11/07/2015 11:48:23 PM PST by odds
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Saddam did not have any US weapons to use against us. Iraq obtained its weapons from the Russians, China, France, etc.

The only thing we sold him were some unarmed helicopters, though he had the outfitted with Russian guns later, so I don’t know what you are talking about.


27 posted on 11/22/2015 2:09:15 AM PST by piasa
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To: odds

The Russians had no problem with entertaining Zawahiri inside the country.


28 posted on 11/22/2015 2:14:17 AM PST by piasa
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To: odds

Nobody wants to immigrate to Russia; even Russians aren’t that fond of it.
And why would Russia want the expense of supporting its own Islamic operatives when it can use the welfare systems of the west to feed and clothe them? All it need provide is training, and keep on helping western socialists milk their countries dry with welfare programs to support the parasites.


29 posted on 11/22/2015 2:18:08 AM PST by piasa
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To: Louis Foxwell

So why so many Muslim Brotherhood in Obama’s administration? What about all the American weapons brandished by these barbarians? What about all of Obama’s vocal support for the Arab spring? America just changed the timetable by being stupid? Hard to agree with that conclusion.


30 posted on 11/22/2015 2:44:58 AM PST by EBH ( I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.)
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To: piasa

Well, my husband and I were living over there from 1980-84 (KSA) and what news we did get was usually filtered through too many media to be believed. I take your word for it.


31 posted on 11/22/2015 9:00:25 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Louis Foxwell

First time I disagree — strongly — with Uncle Dan.


32 posted on 11/22/2015 9:01:48 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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To: Lazamataz
Two paragraphs are important in this essay.

ISIS is a Baathist-Islamist hybrid that devours its creators, turning on Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, and at times even threatening its Baathist allies. Its hybrid of Socialism and an Islam so medieval and brutal that it even frightens Al Qaeda and the Brotherhood has its roots in Saddam’s Iraq. Televising new and more extreme tortures was a tactic that was more Saddam than Osama.

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Saddam aided the Muslim Brotherhood in trying to topple Assad’s father, yet learned no lessons from it. Assad aided the Al Qaeda attacks on Americans, but didn’t consider what would happen when Al Qaeda turned its attention to him. Both regimes sowed the Islamist seeds of their own destruction and made inevitable their transformation into Islamic terror states.

Obama has overseen the rise and empowerment of ISIS. It has been on his watch that this barbarian cult has emerged as a major player internationally. Daniel's position is that ISIS was birthed as an extension of Assad's and Sadam's efforts to support the emergence of a virulent form of primitive Islam to counter their then enemies. Obama has similarly downplayed the awful demonic activity of ISIS as a means of bringing about the global chaos he seeks.

33 posted on 11/22/2015 11:01:02 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Stop Islam and save the world.)
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To: piasa

You may be correct to some degree. However, it isn’t Russian doing or fault that the West has allowed almost free immigration to the West & no less paid those in question in welfare. These people came to the West because they could/can and get paid welfare according to western laws the west determines, not Russia.


34 posted on 11/25/2015 12:57:17 AM PST by odds
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Nor have we had any problems hosting islamists on our soil. Do you really think one Islamist can make too much difference? For example hizb ul tahrir is banned in Russia whereas they aren’t in Australia. Now, I can see pro and con arguments for keeping your enemy close & allowing transperancy instead of pushing tgem underground. That’s one argument.


35 posted on 11/25/2015 1:03:44 AM PST by odds
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