Posted on 09/24/2015 6:17:59 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
Personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous outside the RCC says pope.
http://popularliberty.com/5516/personal-relationship-jesus-dangerous-says-pope
http://www.worthynews.com/16807-pope-stirs-controversy-amongst-evangelicals
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Come on, Pope, I thought you anti capitalists always wanted to eliminate the middle man.
And how many times did you witness this?
Yes. I do know some who are truly saved.
Not so fast there, FRiend. According to the Bible, we will ALL give an accounting, and not just for sins. Furthermore, how do you think he would "reveal" deeply flawed, but popular doctrines in his own Church?
The problem with 1 Thess 5:21 is Paul didn't add "not just the things you don't like" to "test all things, hold fast that which is good."
If your "Salvation Experience" was something out of your own imagination, how could someone prove that to you?
The catholic church came along with its own leadership structure, rules, procedures, and policies. There has never been a shortage of people saying that simply believing in Christ was not enough. And while somehow Jesus took his message to the poor, to the uneducated asking them to simply believe in Him and be saved, the catholic church is convinced there is more to it than that, and men were not smart enough to understand it without their leadership, guidance, and instruction.
It didn’t start with this pope...This is what the Catholic church has believed and pushed down people’s throats since it began.
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True. It’s part of their doctrine.
What seminary? How long?
Why did you lead with your kids going to Catholic School.
If you DON’T really know what the Catholic Church teaches, but rather have been indoctrinated by her enemies, how will you know?
The speech was made a year ago. Here’s the full text at this link:
The pope was talking to Catholics. He was telling them that they need to care about the Church:
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At times one hears someone say: “I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don’t care about the Church...”. How many times have we heard this? And this is not good. There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations.
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He’s telling Catholics that you must care about the Church, belong to the Church, and go to Mass. This is a Catholic tenet. We’re expected to attend Mass every Sunday. If we miss Mass without a good reason, we have sinned.
Protestants might take offense at that belief, but the pope is Catholic.
Amen! Still to this day man does not listen. Jesus said...”IT IS FINISHED” but ALL false religions say it isn’t finished and they add “works” to what Christ already did at the Cross...
“For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH (IN JESUS), and that not of yourselves; it is the GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast.” (Eph 2:8-9)
The site says something like, “(obviously he means the catholic church)”. It it were obvious, why would he need to point it out? But be that as it may, if you mean to criticize Catholic ecclesiology,it might be good to know the official teaching, rather than trumping up “obvious” but misleading and imprecise notions.
It's not hard. The Catechism and “Dominus Iesus” are online.
People like to say that IHS never explicitly denounced abortion or same sex marriage. Similarly some might say there is little explicit about the Church in the NT.
And the explanation is the same. Just as abortion and same sex marriage were so outlandish that Jesus didn't need to comment on them, so the idea of a society with a hierarchy is all over the NT. The few in the upper room at the last supper or the Easter appearances, the disciples sitting around Jesus at the Sermon on the mount, the gift of the Pentecostal Spirit to Mary and the twelve, the whole purpose of Galatians: to explain the deep meaning about why the uncircumcised are to be admitted into ... the Church, the “have this mind” passage of Philippians starts with urging the members of the Church community to serve one another....
And 1 Cor 12 is about the different gifts and ministries in the community. It's all about “the Apostles’ teaching and FELLOWSHIP, the breaking of bread, and the prayers.”
Yes, the individual and personal relationship with our Lord is critical. But the community is there from the beginning, first as our Lord is “numbered with the transgressors” on Jordan's bank and then as he calls the disciples. I don't think we can find a lone Christian in the NT. Possibly the best candidate, Mary, goes immediately to the hill country where she and Elisabeth join in prayer and praise.
In general, with the exception of a few Saints given direct experience of Jesus during their lifetime, independent personal “relationships” with Jesus are as real as unicorns and chupacabras (which means they ain’t — figments of imagination or diabolic impersonation).
But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother. And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
The overriding distinction between Catholic and Protestant theology is the concept of grace through the Sacraments in Catholicism.
No book of James in your Bible?
How do you square that circle?
Catholics are part of the family of GOD, in CHRIST.
Not the ONLY part, as some of you believe — but absolutely a part.
But there’s scarcely a bigger pain in the ass to be found among the brothers and sisters than a militant Catholic.
I fear you are one of those.
Nevertheless, we love you, as we must. So commanded my “buddy” Jesus, and He is always right.
4 Abide in Me, and I in you... he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; ... Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. “
From John 15. Recommend you read the whole chapter. Or even all of John. Plus his epistles, especially his first one.
YES, Jesus is my beloved FRIEND.
I didn’t see no pope mentioned in there, neither...
The overriding distinction between Catholic and Protestant theology is the role of the Church in the life of believers, not the Sacraments.
You gave one context-less sentence and two blog links. Is that how you gave briefings in the Army? If the Pope’s comment gives you pause, why not source it better and provide the comment in context?
Also, I’m not Catholic and I’m not much of a fan of this Pope, but Deo volente is correct. These blog links belong in Religion or, more appropriately, in bloggers. Not news.
If we thought we knew it all, we wouldn’t have encyclicals, councils, and synods.
So where did you find "trinity" in there?
Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.
(And in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church.)
What Church did the thief on the Cross that established a sincere relationship with Christ go to?
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