Posted on 04/21/2015 7:56:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
From 1949 though the early 1990s, South Africa was ruled by an Afrikaner Apartheid regime that made race the basis for law and politics, and which systematically excluded black Africans from their civil and national rights, empowering white Afrikaners alone.
The social statistics produced by that regime, however, are not so different from those produced by ordinary every day legal and social practices in todays United States.
Impunity for white policemen who kill Blacks is one commonality between the two societies.
(Excerpt) Read more at juancole.com ...
PrisonPolicy.org notes :
Incarceration rate per 100,000 population in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 368
Incarceration rate per 100,000 Black males in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 851
Incarceration rate per 100,000 African-American males in the United States under George W. Bush (2001): 4,848
And were are the statistics to demonstrate who (ethnically) are committing the crimes?
So am I wrong or do their own numbers show that Blacks were more law abiding under Apartheid than they are under American democracy?
ditto. I don’t give a crap anymore what anyone on the left thinks or pretty much anyone else for that matter.
Juan Cole has been saying stupid things for a long time.
As for 5. Police violence it's more of a two-way street here and whites join in the "fun" more often that blacks.
Hey! the article said "Draw your own conclusion about the comparison to todays US." That's what I did with a little help from federal government statistics.
These are excerpts below.. see FR thread for a table and sources with working hyperlinks
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2015 |
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1 | |||
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1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
4,954 | 699 | 4,764 | 281 |
4,127 | 558 | 3,854 | 247 |
3,787 | 520 | 3,646 | 209 |
3,728 | 449 | 3,309 | 205 |
3,336 | 452 | 2,869 | 154 |
3,352 | 417 | 2,927 | 178 |
3,644 | 475 | 3,087 | 180 |
3,582 | 483 | 3,137 | 227 |
3,603 | 501 | 3,147 | 236 |
3,727 | 522 | 3,067 | 228 |
3,785 | 516 | 3,289 | 230 |
3,709 | 573 | 3,303 | 208 |
3,587 | 566 | 3,221 | 245 |
3,643 | 504 | 3,024 | 230 |
3,518 | 454 | 2,867 | 209 |
3,327 | 447 | 2,720 | 218 |
3,172 | 448 | 2,695 | 193 |
3,128 | 431 | 2,648 | 193 |
3,005 | 409 | 2,491 | 189 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
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11 | |||
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11.1 | 11.2 | 11.3 | 11.4 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
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N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
93 | 37 | 46 | 10 |
114 | 60 | 46 | 8 |
93 | 50 | 38 | 5 |
85 | 34 | 39 | 12 |
76 | 38 | 31 | 7 |
77 | 45 | 24 | 8 |
49 | 27 | 19 | 3 |
64 | 44 | 16 | 4 |
73 | 45 | 24 | 4 |
61 | 37 | 24 | 0 |
58 | 31 | 26 | 1 |
61 | 27 | 34 | 0 |
56 | 36 | 20 | 0 |
59 | 25 | 31 | 3 |
66 | 35 | 26 | 5 |
42 | 20 | 21 | 1 |
45 | 24 | 17 | 4 |
80 | 32 | 39 | 9 |
76 | 44 | 28 | 4 |
52 | 31 | 16 | 5 |
28 | 15 | 11 | 2 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
11 | |||
11.1 | 11.2 | 11.3 | 11.4 |
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12.1 | 12.2 | 12.3 | 12.4 | 12.5 |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
286 | 196 | 109 | 30 | 6 |
274 | 215 | 145 | 23 | 16 |
283 | 222 | 136 | 24 | 24 |
302 | 212 | 164 | 22 | 21 |
283 | 249 | 159 | 18 | 36 |
258 | 217 | 106 | 14 | 34 |
340 | 218 | 130 | 19 | 22 |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
12 d | ||||
12.1 | 12.2 | 12.3 | 12.4 | 12.5 |
Juan Cole?
no thanks...I use electric heat....../s
I had to!
America has a far larger population, than RSA has.
Secondly, American blacks speak English, South African blacks speak at least TWO very different languages; usually at least three.
Even under Apartheid, there were wealthy, well educated blacks and blacks from other African nations were always trying to sneak INTO South Africa, under Apartheid.
No, I'm NOT trying to make excuses for Apartheid, but the whole premise of this article and erroneous statements about both nations is just dumb!
There have been American black millionaires here, for generations/more than 100 years and blacks who went to great colleges, here, including West Point, long before Affirmative Action !
I don’t care about Africa.
All these years and all my mother’s years (as she has pointed out) they have been trying to help Africa.
It is always a cesspool.
I’m of the opinion it’s either badly managed or corruptly managed. I think a lot of the donations are sidetracked to pockets unknown and I think also the people are so immoral over there there is no preventing the spread of disease. The men go to prostitutes for heavens sake, which is one of the reasons for the HIV epidemic.
We have our own people to take care of.
Speechless.
Not at the numbers. At the stupidity of people who believe this crap.
So basically the black violence in the U.S. accounts for more than a 9/11-level catastrophe every year for the last 20 years.
Yes, please, tell me again how we’re all a bunch of racists, how we over-incarcerate blacks, how they’re so mistreated.
!@#$ them and their supporters.
Is this an argument for apartheid?
It seems to show that the US should adopt Apartheid .
This problem started in US not long after the Voting Rights Act was passed.
Let me know when their savagery decreases to the level of normal humans. Until then, not real interested in tales of "discrimination".
In other words, it's tribal.
I don’t believe stats.
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