PrisonPolicy.org notes :
Incarceration rate per 100,000 population in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 368
Incarceration rate per 100,000 Black males in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 851
Incarceration rate per 100,000 African-American males in the United States under George W. Bush (2001): 4,848
And were are the statistics to demonstrate who (ethnically) are committing the crimes?
So am I wrong or do their own numbers show that Blacks were more law abiding under Apartheid than they are under American democracy?
Juan Cole has been saying stupid things for a long time.
As for 5. Police violence it's more of a two-way street here and whites join in the "fun" more often that blacks.
Hey! the article said "Draw your own conclusion about the comparison to todays US." That's what I did with a little help from federal government statistics.
These are excerpts below.. see FR thread for a table and sources with working hyperlinks
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1982 |
1983 |
1984 |
1985 |
1986 |
1987 |
1988 |
1989 |
1990 |
1991 |
1992 |
1993 |
1994 |
1995 |
1996 |
1997 |
1998 |
1999 |
2000 |
2001 |
2002 |
2003 |
2004 |
2005 |
2006 |
2007 |
2008 |
2009 |
2010 |
2011 |
2012 |
2013 |
2014 |
2015 |
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1 | |||
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1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
4,954 | 699 | 4,764 | 281 |
4,127 | 558 | 3,854 | 247 |
3,787 | 520 | 3,646 | 209 |
3,728 | 449 | 3,309 | 205 |
3,336 | 452 | 2,869 | 154 |
3,352 | 417 | 2,927 | 178 |
3,644 | 475 | 3,087 | 180 |
3,582 | 483 | 3,137 | 227 |
3,603 | 501 | 3,147 | 236 |
3,727 | 522 | 3,067 | 228 |
3,785 | 516 | 3,289 | 230 |
3,709 | 573 | 3,303 | 208 |
3,587 | 566 | 3,221 | 245 |
3,643 | 504 | 3,024 | 230 |
3,518 | 454 | 2,867 | 209 |
3,327 | 447 | 2,720 | 218 |
3,172 | 448 | 2,695 | 193 |
3,128 | 431 | 2,648 | 193 |
3,005 | 409 | 2,491 | 189 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
1 | |||
1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 |
11 | |||
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11.1 | 11.2 | 11.3 | 11.4 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
93 | 37 | 46 | 10 |
114 | 60 | 46 | 8 |
93 | 50 | 38 | 5 |
85 | 34 | 39 | 12 |
76 | 38 | 31 | 7 |
77 | 45 | 24 | 8 |
49 | 27 | 19 | 3 |
64 | 44 | 16 | 4 |
73 | 45 | 24 | 4 |
61 | 37 | 24 | 0 |
58 | 31 | 26 | 1 |
61 | 27 | 34 | 0 |
56 | 36 | 20 | 0 |
59 | 25 | 31 | 3 |
66 | 35 | 26 | 5 |
42 | 20 | 21 | 1 |
45 | 24 | 17 | 4 |
80 | 32 | 39 | 9 |
76 | 44 | 28 | 4 |
52 | 31 | 16 | 5 |
28 | 15 | 11 | 2 |
N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N |
11 | |||
11.1 | 11.2 | 11.3 | 11.4 |
12 d | ||||
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12.1 | 12.2 | 12.3 | 12.4 | 12.5 |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
286 | 196 | 109 | 30 | 6 |
274 | 215 | 145 | 23 | 16 |
283 | 222 | 136 | 24 | 24 |
302 | 212 | 164 | 22 | 21 |
283 | 249 | 159 | 18 | 36 |
258 | 217 | 106 | 14 | 34 |
340 | 218 | 130 | 19 | 22 |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
N | N | N | N | N |
12 d | ||||
12.1 | 12.2 | 12.3 | 12.4 | 12.5 |
Juan Cole?
no thanks...I use electric heat....../s
I had to!
America has a far larger population, than RSA has.
Secondly, American blacks speak English, South African blacks speak at least TWO very different languages; usually at least three.
Even under Apartheid, there were wealthy, well educated blacks and blacks from other African nations were always trying to sneak INTO South Africa, under Apartheid.
No, I'm NOT trying to make excuses for Apartheid, but the whole premise of this article and erroneous statements about both nations is just dumb!
There have been American black millionaires here, for generations/more than 100 years and blacks who went to great colleges, here, including West Point, long before Affirmative Action !
I don’t care about Africa.
All these years and all my mother’s years (as she has pointed out) they have been trying to help Africa.
It is always a cesspool.
I’m of the opinion it’s either badly managed or corruptly managed. I think a lot of the donations are sidetracked to pockets unknown and I think also the people are so immoral over there there is no preventing the spread of disease. The men go to prostitutes for heavens sake, which is one of the reasons for the HIV epidemic.
We have our own people to take care of.
Speechless.
Not at the numbers. At the stupidity of people who believe this crap.
Is this an argument for apartheid?
Let me know when their savagery decreases to the level of normal humans. Until then, not real interested in tales of "discrimination".
I don’t believe stats.
You neglected to mention preferential treatment for college
You neglected to mention preferential treatment in job seeking
You neglected to mention preferential treatment in home buying
You neglected to mention preferential treatment for food stamps
You neglected to mention preferential treatment for welfare
You neglected to mention preferential treatment for medical care
You neglected to mention preferential treatment for every goddamn thing that a person has to do to live life!
There is zero incentive for a “person of color” to be the least bit responsible because liberals have legislated protections such that it’s surprising a congressperson doesn’t wipe the butt of every “person of color” when they are done spelling “Obama” in the pot!
The US presents no barriers to those who would like to leave.
Accordingly, to which country do you plan on migrating.
I am sure you will be welcome in South Africa.
What all this crap is going to build up to is “Executive Reparations” for backs and hispanics along about January 2016. I understand this can’t be constitutionally done without an appropriation from congress, but it could certainly start a race war if Obama pits blacks and hispanics against congress.