Top 5 ways US treatment of African-Americans resembles Apartheid South Africa

http://www.juancole.com/2014/12/treatment-americans-resembles.html ^ | Dec. 5, 2014 | Juan Cole

[MinorityRepublican]

From 1949 though the early 1990s, South Africa was ruled by an Afrikaner Apartheid regime that made race the basis for law and politics, and which systematically excluded black Africans from their civil and national rights, empowering white Afrikaners alone.

The social statistics produced by that regime, however, are not so different from those produced by ordinary every day legal and social practices in today’s United States.

Impunity for white policemen who kill Blacks is one commonality between the two societies.

[MinorityRepublican]

1. Rates of imprisonment:

PrisonPolicy.org notes :

”Incarceration rate per 100,000 population in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 368

Incarceration rate per 100,000 Black males in South Africa under apartheid (1993): 851

Incarceration rate per 100,000 African-American males in the United States under George W. Bush (2001): 4,848 ”

[dp0622]

How will I sleep tonight /sarcasm
Probably didn't have the resources to respond to and arrest preps like America has.
Didn't have the poor me libs to make them hate their country enough to commit much ore crimes
Bet they had their problems, but in no other civilized country have i seen such rampant animalistic behavior. I drove a cab in staten island and you cant believe the way they live unless you do this job.

[doc1019]

And were are the statistics to demonstrate who (ethnically) are committing the crimes?

[2ndDivisionVet]

[MaxMax]

I stopped caring when they accused all Whites of racism. The fad is over,
move on to something else, like turtle posting.

[Mastador1]

So am I wrong or do their own numbers show that Blacks were more law abiding under Apartheid than they are under American democracy?

[Sequoyah101]

ditto. I don’t give a crap anymore what anyone on the left thinks or pretty much anyone else for that matter.

[denydenydeny]

Juan Cole has been saying stupid things for a long time.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Another similarity is one race tended to murder the other more often.

As for 5. Police violence it's more of a two-way street here and whites join in the "fun" more often that blacks.

Hey! the article said "Draw your own conclusion about the comparison to today’s US." That's what I did with a little help from federal government statistics.

These are excerpts below.. see FR thread for a table and sources with working hyperlinks

Arrests Data COLS 1 TO 4.

• 1. FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR)
  HOMICIDES
  1. Number of WHITES murdered (HOVER shows number
     of times offender was not identified as white or black)
  2. Number of WHITES murdered by BLACKS (HOVER
     shows number of WHITES murdered by WHITES)
  3. Number of BLACKS murdered (HOVER shows number
     of times offender was not identified as white or black)
  4. Number of BLACKS murdered by WHITES (HOVER
     shows number of BLACKS murdered by BLACKS)
  COL 1 HOMICIDES is from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports,
  Expanded Offense Data, Expanded Homicide Data Tables,
  Table 6.

LEOKA Data and ARD Data COLS 11 & 12.

• 11. Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted (LEOKA)
  Officers Feloniously Killed (Race of Known Offender)
  1. TOTAL officers killed
  2. Officers killed by WHITES
  3. Officers killed by BLACKS
  4. Officers killed by all others
• Col 11 sources FBI Home Page

• 12. Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD)
  Arrest-Related Deaths by all manners,
  by demographic characteristics of decedents
  1. White, non-Hispanic deaths all manners
  2. Black, non-Hispanic deaths all manners
  3. Hispanic deaths all manners
  4. Other (includes persons of two or more races) deaths all manners
  5. Unknown demographic characteristics deaths all manners
• Col 12 sources Bureau of Justice Statistics

HOVER table column contents for additional data.

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1
1.1	1.2	1.3	1.4
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4,954	699	4,764	281
4,127	558	3,854	247
3,787	520	3,646	209
3,728	449	3,309	205
3,336	452	2,869	154
3,352	417	2,927	178
3,644	475	3,087	180
3,582	483	3,137	227
3,603	501	3,147	236
3,727	522	3,067	228
3,785	516	3,289	230
3,709	573	3,303	208
3,587	566	3,221	245
3,643	504	3,024	230
3,518	454	2,867	209
3,327	447	2,720	218
3,172	448	2,695	193
3,128	431	2,648	193
3,005	409	2,491	189
N	N	N	N
N	N	N	N
1
1.1	1.2	1.3	1.4

11
11.1	11.2	11.3	11.4
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93	37	46	10
114	60	46	8
93	50	38	5
85	34	39	12
76	38	31	7
77	45	24	8
49	27	19	3
64	44	16	4
73	45	24	4
61	37	24	0
58	31	26	1
61	27	34	0
56	36	20	0
59	25	31	3
66	35	26	5
42	20	21	1
45	24	17	4
80	32	39	9
76	44	28	4
52	31	16	5
28	15	11	2
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N	N	N	N
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11.1	11.2	11.3	11.4

12 d
12.1	12.2	12.3	12.4	12.5
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286	196	109	30	6
274	215	145	23	16
283	222	136	24	24
302	212	164	22	21
283	249	159	18	36
258	217	106	14	34
340	218	130	19	22
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12.1	12.2	12.3	12.4	12.5

[MeshugeMikey]

Juan Cole?

no thanks...I use electric heat....../s

I had to!

[nopardons]

That's ridiculous!

America has a far larger population, than RSA has.

Secondly, American blacks speak English, South African blacks speak at least TWO very different languages; usually at least three.

Even under Apartheid, there were wealthy, well educated blacks and blacks from other African nations were always trying to sneak INTO South Africa, under Apartheid.

No, I'm NOT trying to make excuses for Apartheid, but the whole premise of this article and erroneous statements about both nations is just dumb!

There have been American black millionaires here, for generations/more than 100 years and blacks who went to great colleges, here, including West Point, long before Affirmative Action !

[Beowulf9]

I don’t care about Africa.

All these years and all my mother’s years (as she has pointed out) they have been trying to help Africa.

It is always a cesspool.

I’m of the opinion it’s either badly managed or corruptly managed. I think a lot of the donations are sidetracked to pockets unknown and I think also the people are so immoral over there there is no preventing the spread of disease. The men go to prostitutes for heavens sake, which is one of the reasons for the HIV epidemic.

We have our own people to take care of.

[TheZMan]

Speechless.

Not at the numbers. At the stupidity of people who believe this crap.

[TheZMan]

So basically the black violence in the U.S. accounts for more than a 9/11-level catastrophe every year for the last 20 years.

Yes, please, tell me again how we’re all a bunch of racists, how we over-incarcerate blacks, how they’re so mistreated.

!@#$ them and their supporters.

[stylin19a]

2010 census shows 2306 per 100,000 http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

[sickoflibs]

Is this an argument for apartheid?

[sickoflibs]

RE:”So am I wrong or do their own numbers show that Blacks were more law abiding under Apartheid than they are under American democracy?”

It seems to show that the US should adopt Apartheid .

This problem started in US not long after the Voting Rights Act was passed.

[Dagnabitt]

Currently, U.S. Blacks murder at rate eight times that of Whites.

Let me know when their savagery decreases to the level of normal humans. Until then, not real interested in tales of "discrimination".

[17th Miss Regt]

I’m of the opinion it’s either badly managed or corruptly managed. I think a lot of the donations are sidetracked to pockets unknown and I think also the people are so immoral over there there is no preventing the spread of disease. The men go to prostitutes for heavens sake, which is one of the reasons for the HIV epidemic.

In other words, it's tribal.

[SoCal Pubbie]

I don’t believe stats.