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ID: Homeowner runs out of Ammo using "Warning Shots"
Gun Watch ^ | 30 December, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/01/2015 6:06:16 AM PST by marktwain


Bart Bryson, a homeowner in Idaho, discovered a burglar in his unoccupied home.   The burglar "bumped" into him and he fired two shots into the floor.  From ktvb.com:
"A voice yelled at me 'please don't shoot me' and came running at me, and I grabbed my pistol," Bryson said.

The man bumped into him, knocking him back, he said. That's when Bryson fired two shots into the floor.

"I thought, I'll kill him if I have to, because I'm not going to get killed, and I'm not going to get knocked out either," he said. "But the gunshot scared him enough, apparently it scared him enough that he fell down thinking maybe I shot him. I thought I had hit him, the way he hit the ground, but he was just playing possum."
 
Unfortunately, Bart had left his cell phone at home.  Bryson works as a security officer. He had handcuffs in is his car.  He decided to cuff the suspect and take him to police headquarters.  The suspect asked him: would you shoot someone over a burglary? 
But as he was searching for the cuffs under the seat, however, the man bolted, Bryson said. Bryson began shooting again, firing several shots into the ground. He says he did not want to kill anyone over a burglary.
Bart was right in not shooting at the suspect, clearly, as he ran off, the suspect was not a threat.   Sometimes, "warning shots" stop a fleeing suspect, but sometimes, they just run faster.  The gun shots alerted the neighbors to call the police, so they had some positive effect.

The interesting thing is that with all the "warning shots", Bart ran out of ammo!   While everything worked out without anyone getting killed or injured, this reinforces the axiom that you can never have too much ammunition; and that warning shots use a potentially precious resource.  In addition to spare ammunition, Bart will likely be more careful to bring his cell phone with him in the future.  The military has a saying: you have to be able to move, shoot, and communicate.  By the end of this encounter, Bart only had one of those necessities.

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To: marktwain

My idea of a warning shot is a gaping chest wound warning the perp that he is about to bleed out.


21 posted on 01/01/2015 6:46:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: G Larry

Not a warning shot.... it needs to be a “oh crap... I missed that time” shot?


22 posted on 01/01/2015 6:49:15 AM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Warning shots? And if the man had had a knife, and ran at him, he’d be dead. Or severely wounded. Ok, he didn’t, but the security guard didn’t know that he wasn’t armed with some weapon.
I would have not shot into the floor, but into the man, solly Cholly! I don’t want to kill anyone either, but if it’s them or me, guess what.


23 posted on 01/01/2015 6:56:37 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann)
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To: marktwain

He’s lucky that he wasn’t sodomized with his own pistol. The idiot.


24 posted on 01/01/2015 6:56:38 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain

Firing a warming shot is an invitation for the bad guy to shoot you. If you draw and shoot, shoot to kill.


25 posted on 01/01/2015 6:56:58 AM PST by Truth29
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To: alexander_busek

>> Was that particular outcome even achieved here?

No idea.

At least the burglary was thwarted and no “good guys” were harmed.

Maybe I should have said “ended *relatively* well”.

FRegards back atcha.


26 posted on 01/01/2015 6:57:41 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed is his demon.)
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To: marktwain

I cannot endorse warning shots, other than to frighten young children committing crimes. If you are satisfied with “running off” a felon, you are an accomplice to that criminal’s future acts, be they burglary, robbery, rape or murder.

Yes, you might not know if it was “your” criminal who committed those acts, but you should be haunted whenever such acts happen thereafter in your area, because they might be carried out, perhaps for years, by “the one you let get away.”

This is not just your concern, either. Policemen are unhappy if a dangerous criminal they are pursuing gets away. Doubly so if they get the policeman’s gun and use it to commit crimes.

So instead of warning shots, give a “command voice ultimatum”, hopefully different than what they might expect, such as “Lay Down Or Die!” And mean it.

It is no longer about you. It is about you protecting family and friends. And if you fail to do so, you are risking the lives of perhaps several innocent people.


27 posted on 01/01/2015 7:01:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: marktwain

” The gun shots alerted the neighbors to call the police, so they had some positive effect.”

Reminds me of an ad for an alarm company. The ad showed a picture of a gun and a picture of an alarm panel, and under the gun it read “this will never call the police”. Immediately I knew that was bogus, at least where I live. Fire off a few rounds and the cops will be on the scene MUCH FASTER than responding to what is more than likely yet another false alarm.


28 posted on 01/01/2015 7:26:41 AM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: rlmorel

He will carry a spare mag or a New Yawk reload aka backup firearm the rest of his life as he now knows it does happen....... He’s seen hisself do it ....:o)

Experience read isn’t the same as experience .......stay safe !


29 posted on 01/01/2015 7:26:56 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: driftdiver
The “would you shoot someone over a” property crime seems a common theme these days.

A person burglarizing a house at night should not be given the time to even ask that question.

30 posted on 01/01/2015 7:30:28 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: rlmorel

“Holy smokes. If I ever find myself in a similar situation, I hope I have the guts to fire to kill.”

You really have to make up your mind before it happens and train yourself to do so. But once there, you also have to train yourself to restrain if not warranted. A guy may be roaming around your house looking like he’s about to break in, when, in fact, it’s a gas company guy trying to find the meter at night (for whatever reason). You really want to wait for some positive action...like breaking a window before taking action.

It’s high-stakes stuff. One mistake, either way, and it’s a life-changing (maybe life-ending) event.


31 posted on 01/01/2015 7:37:23 AM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: driftdiver

“The “would you shoot someone over a” property crime seems a common theme these days.”

Unless the guy is clearly fleeing, as in off your property or about to be off your property, with his back to you, then it stops being a “property crime” once you’re on the scene (assuming he knows that you’re there). It becomes “an encounter” with an UNKNOWN THREAT, and one has to assume worst case.


32 posted on 01/01/2015 7:41:45 AM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: W.

Oh I agree, just commenting on a common theme. IMO they are seeking to undermine the right of self defense as part of their antigun efforts.


33 posted on 01/01/2015 7:46:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BobL

We had a case where the person roaming around turned out to be a cop. Our house had been broken into and the next day a grungy looking guy was circling the house. Looking at windows from close up. My wife was home alone and called me in a panic. She was ready to shoot. I called the police to find out if they had someone there. About that time he finally pulled his badge out and displayed it.


34 posted on 01/01/2015 7:51:02 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rlmorel

A burglary figures everything he steals is worth his life, or he wouldn’t be in the house. I would have to agree. Rob, rape, and murder. What else would the burglar do?


35 posted on 01/01/2015 7:51:23 AM PST by healy61
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To: BobL
Reminds me of an ad for an alarm company

I'm sure the ad portrayed the perp as a blonde-haired white guy.

36 posted on 01/01/2015 7:58:51 AM PST by Salvey
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To: marktwain
Probably had a wheel gun. Nothing like fighting 21st century criminals with 19th century technology. I only carry one spare magazine with my Glock 23, but that gives me 27 rounds before I have to go to Plan B.
37 posted on 01/01/2015 8:20:00 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: marktwain

My warning shots will consist of two shots to the torso and one to the head.


38 posted on 01/01/2015 8:22:33 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Truth29
Firing a warming shot is an invitation for the bad guy to shoot you. If you draw and shoot, shoot to kill.

You never shoot to kill, you shoot to neutralize the threat. Minimum response is typically two shots to center mass. Then you make sure the world is a safe place and reassess the threat.

39 posted on 01/01/2015 8:23:16 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Salvey

Nope...no pictures of people in that ad. I just remember it because 95% (or more) of Americans live close enough to others to have the 911 switchboard TOTALLY LIGHT UP when they fire off a few rounds.


40 posted on 01/01/2015 8:50:43 AM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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