Posted on 10/05/2014 3:26:07 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
Transcript @18:50: Mike Zullo: The press conference was three days away and the 9 code was still not resolved in my mind and we needed to get verification. For two feverish days Jerry Corsi sent his associate and this woman stayed in the lobby of the CDC (in Atlanta) for eight hours a day for two days trying to get the answer to this question. On the third day it was about two and a half hours before the press conference was going to go at that point in time the 9 code at issue was NOT going to be in it. As fate would have it, Attorney Larry Klayman happened to be in Phoenix so he stopped in, wanted to say "Hello" to the Sherrif. Larry Klayman, Larry Klayman's associate, Sherrif Arpaio, myself and Jerry Corsi were all in the conference room when the phone rang from the woman from the CDC, and I have her information who she is and she's NOT a clerk. She's a highly educated individual. Jerry put her on speakerphone. I remember Jerry with his fingers crossed. She confirmed for us that what we were saying and requesting...what the number "9" meant...was in fact what it was! He asked he to repeat it. "Are you saying this "9" in this box yadda yadda yadda means that?" and she said "Yes" and with that verification we put the 9 code back in the press conference.
(Excerpt) Read more at birtherreport.com ...
‘What about the bombshell that Obama didn’t write Dreams from my Father? That in fact, it was written by a terrorist. A terrorist, moreover, whom Obama had lyingly claimed to have barely known. On top of everything else, it wasn’t even a conservative who broke that story. It was a pro-Obama liberal. For his trouble, he was nearly denied a book tour, and in the end only allowed to appear in public on the condition he not mention Bill Ayers. He really got the royal treatment, didn’t he? No wonder other reporters are lining up to break similar stories.’
That is the source I have referenced in all but the non-author-related quote you mentioned. Iow, my Cashill ref had nothing, zero, to do w Dreams’ authorship. It solely referenced the excellent job Cahill did in fact checking the various specific references in Dreams, and in establishing not one of them is true/factual. If you could read, you could have figured that out for yourself.
As to the authorship fact, here is what I said:
“On top of everything else, it wasn’t even a conservative who broke that story. It was a pro-Obama liberal.”
So now tell me Cashill is a pro-Obama liberal. From what I have seen, you may actually believe he is.
Well, one thing that is different about Obama than with every prior President is that he is the only one to offer up his birth certificate indicating a U.S.-birth and have that fact verified by the State-issuing vital records office. Right? Can you suppress the cognitive dissonance this no doubt creates in your mind long enough to agree?
People recalled his mother’s pregnancy. They recalled her trip to the hospital, & her homecoming. Close friends, family & neighbors shared recollections of Obama’s parents’ life together, and their delight at welcoming a new/first child into the world. There was probably even a tale or two about proud papa passing out cigars in HI.
This is early 1960's America. Back then, a 17 year old becoming pregnant (and by a black man, to boot) was not something that got paraded around. To the contrary, the young lady was often kept out of view for the while. So the perceived absence of these "usual things" doesn't strike me as meaningful.
Close friends, family & neighbors shared recollections of Obama’s parents’ life together
There was at least one biographical piece done on Stanley Ann where the author went and spoke with persons who knew about her relationship with Obama, Jr. So the sort of testimony you appear to be seeking is out there. I don't recall the piece offhand. But until the 800-pound gorilla in the room (Hawaii's attestation of Obama's birth there) is acknowledged, I don't feel a whole lot of need to go chasing it down.
With your reading comprehension issues in mind, I’ll make this easier for you.
A pro-Obama liberal established that Bill Ayers is the author of Dreams.
Cashill fact-checked a slew of specific references in Dreams, and proved that every single one was false/a lie.
Not that I imagine, even now, you can tell the difference. Comprehension is just not your forte.
‘There was at least one biographical piece done on Stanley Ann where the author went and spoke with persons who knew about her relationship with Obama, Jr. So the sort of testimony you appear to be seeking is out there. I don’t recall the piece offhand.’
Oh, I recall it very well. The author, David Maraniss, a pro-Obama liberal, didn’t exactly do what you wish he’d done”
‘David Maraniss has no use for “birthers.” In a recent interview, he dismissed their beliefs as “preposterous” and wonders why they cling to them, since “every fact and document leads in another direction.”
Yet the one core belief that has united the birther community — if there be such a thing — is that Obama dissembled when he talked at both the 2004 and 2008 Democratic Conventions about his parents’ “improbable love” and “abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation.”
Birthers have known for years that there was no Obama family, that the couple never lived together, that Obama campaigned on a lie, and that the major media covered for him every step of the way. This, ironically, Maraniss confirms in Barack Obama: The Story, a book that has to be parsed as carefully as the Talmud or Finnegan’s Wake to be made sense of. Despite his slam on birthers, the facts herein will come as more of a shock to the Obama faithful than to those who have questioned the official birth narrative.
“In the college life of Barack Obama [Senior] in 1961 and 1962,” writes Maraniss, “as recounted by his friends and acquaintances in Honolulu, there was no Ann; there was no baby.” Although Maraniss talked to many of Obama Sr.’s friends, none of the credible ones ever so much as saw him with Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham.
One Obama friend, a Cambodian named Kiri Tith, knew the senior Obama “very well.” He had also met Ann through a different channel. “But he had no idea,” writes Maraniss, “that Ann knew Obama, let alone got hapai (pregnant) by him, married him, and had a son with him.”’
http://donpettygrove.blogspot.com/2012/06/articles-maraniss-bio-deepens-obama.html
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‘This is early 1960’s America. Back then, a 17 year old becoming pregnant (and by a black man, to boot) was not something that got paraded around. To the contrary, the young lady was often kept out of view for the while. So the perceived absence of these “usual things” doesn’t strike me as meaningful.’
Dance dance bob and weave shuck and jive.
So Stanley Ann knew nobody on HI while she was pregnant. She had no job, no landlord, no next door neighbors, no friends, nothing. She lived in a cave. She scuttled out in the dark of night to pick bananas on which to subsist. When delivery time came, she hiked to the hospital. Before going in, she donned a fake beard and mustache, so no one could recognize her. When it came time to leave, she hiked back to the cave. There she remained until it was time to hike to the airport, buy her own ticket [where did she get the cash—no job, etc.] and fly to Seattle.
Of course, all this seems reasonable to you.
It would.
And in that paragraph you mention no source. In the paragraph that follows, you talk about Dreams and Cashill. So, yeah, it looked like you were attributing this to Cashill, because no one else was then mentioned.
Whether Ayers helped Obama a lot or a little, or whether the writing quality in Dreams appears higher than other contemporaneous samples is due to Obama having gotten some editorial assistance from some person(s) can be debated. But the entire topic has precious little at best (actually, nothing) to do with eligibility.
[chuckling sounds] Just as I suspected, if I left it vague, you'd grab for the wrong branch, showing you don't know the topic as well as you pretend.
Nope. It wasn't Maraniss. The piece I was referring to was Janny Scott's A Singular Woman. Here's one review found on the Amazon listing:
“The key to understanding the disciplined and often impassive 44th president is his mother, as Janny Scott, a reporter for the New York Times, decisively demonstrates in her new biography A Singular Woman. . . . Scott [uses] meticulous reporting, archival research and extensive interviews with Dunham’s colleagues, friends and family, including the president and his sister. What emerges is a portrait of a woman who is both disciplined and disorganized, blunt-spoken and empathetic, driven and devoted to her children, even as she ruefully admits her failings and frets over her distance from them.”—The Washington Post
So, contrary to Birther lore, Stanley Ann wasn't just some prop piece brought in to further some screenplay life created for Obman, Jr. So, yes, the testimony from friends and family witnessing the mother-son relationship that you believe to be so mysteriously missing in fact exists.
But, in any event, in this nation one doesn't prove date and place of birth by chasing down from old friends and family and procuring statements they saw our mothers pregnant --and then handing those to the Drivers License office, passport agency, etc. One gets the appropriate state agency to verify the birth facts. Hawaii has done that in Obama's case. And in under our Constitution, those records are granted Full Faith & Credit as to any sister state.
On the question of eligibility, this is called "Game. Set. Match."
Speaking of probabilities, what are the odds that a white American woman married to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. would have her child in Africa?
Given that at the time (1) she was 17 and her family was all in the U.S. and (2) Obama, Sr., was known to have been pursuing studies in the U.S. -- one would have to rate the probability of birth in Africa as "extremely low."
‘But the entire topic has precious little at best (actually, nothing) to do with eligibility.’
Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
The person who discovered, as I’ve said, from multiple sources, all FRIENDS of the Obamas, and who supplied ***specific*** details, did not have to dig for the info. This Obama loving liberal merely had to interview Obama’s Hyde Park neighbors. He discovered that Ayers didn’t “help” with the writing; Ayers wrote it.
The point being, this is the type of info that is discovered when a candidate is VETTED. Vetted, get it? You claim Obama was vetted. He was not. Not even nominally. If so, one of the first things discovered would have been that he had no part in the actual writing of the memoir for which he received so much praise & adulation. After all, when a candidate has no qualifications or achievements, the ability to write his own memoir counts.
Except that Obama didn’t.
He lied, and said he did.
The most superficial vetting would have exposed his lie.
But Obama was not vetted At All.
As I’ve said before, you blow up your own arguments. You say Obama is eligible because he’s been vetted. I present hard evidence that there was no vetting At All.
& you say it doesn’t matter.
You & logic must meet some time. It will be quite a shock, at least for you.
‘“The key to understanding the disciplined and often impassive 44th president is his mother, as Janny Scott, a reporter for the New York Times, decisively demonstrates in her new biography A Singular Woman. . . . Scott [uses] meticulous reporting, archival research and extensive interviews with Dunham’s colleagues, friends and family, including the president and his sister. What emerges is a portrait of a woman who is both disciplined and disorganized, blunt-spoken and empathetic, driven and devoted to her children, even as she ruefully admits her failings and frets over her distance from them.”—The Washington Post’
This is pathetic, Hook, even for you. I said no one in all of HI saw Stanley Ann pregnant. You chuckle & present a quote that proves MY point, not yours. Scott didn’t talk to a single soul who mentioned knowing Stanley Ann when she lived for nine mos pregnant in HI—according to Obama, lived as a wife to a black man. But no one remembers.
Your sad, pointless, totally off-topic quote simply reinforces that. Scott, no more than Maraniss, discovered one solitary soul who knew Stanley Ann during the 9 mos of her pregnancy. She had no job, no landlord, no close neighbors, no friends, nothing.
Why, it’s as if she spent those nine mos on a completely different continent.
“Speaking of probabilities, what are the odds that a white American woman married to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. would have her child in Africa?”
‘Given that at the time (1) she was 17 and her family was all in the U.S. and (2) Obama, Sr., was known to have been pursuing studies in the U.S. — one would have to rate the probability of birth in Africa as “extremely low.”’
One would have to rate that answer as ‘Extremely Stupid’.
Try again.
Only this time, actually read the question. It does make a difference.
Okay, Hook, let’s talk Janny Scott:
“In the last year or so respected publishers have released four biographies by mainstream authors that feature, as a central fact, the birth of President Barack Obama to his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Ann), in 1961.
Given that there has been a certain controversy about the birth, one might expect that each of the books would, if not settle the controversy, at least deal with it intelligently. None of them do.
These books include a 2010 biography of the president, “The Bridge,” by New Yorker editor, David Remnick; a 2011 biography of Dunham, “A Singular Woman,” by New York Times reporter Janny Scott; a 2011 biography of Barack Obama Sr., “The Other Barack,” by Sally Jacobs of the Boston Globe; and a 2010 multi-generational biography of the Obama family, “The Obamas,” by BBC journalist Peter Firstbrook.
Clearly, if Dunham had not given birth to Obama, none of these four books would have been written. Yet the authors are shockingly mute on the subject of Dunham’s pregnancy and Obama’s birth.
University of Hawaii records show that Dunham left school at the end of January in 1961, and subsequent divorce records suggest a Maui wedding on February 2. This is where the paper trial ends.
As to the Maui wedding, everyone writes with uncertainty. Jacobs says only, “The couple apparently had a quiet civil ceremony.” Scott writes that the wedding took place “*reportedly* on the island of Maui.” (Italics mine)
In Remnick’s account, Dunham tells no one about the wedding, but in Firstbrook’s imaginative account, the parents accompany the happy couple on the trip to Maui. As Obama has conceded, there are no wedding photos and no documents.
After the wedding, Dunham disappears from the record. Not one of these authors provides the slightest hint of what she may have done or where she may have gone between February 2 and August 4 of 1961. Nada. Not a word.
All of these books were published with the eligibility controversy in full flower. The informed reader would expect the authors, especially Dunham’s biographer Scott, to at least comment on the absence of information. None do.”
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http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/the_hole.htm
So what does the CDC have to do with a birth certificate?
Obama is indeed an ineligible fraud from the day Pelosi pulled the electoral curtains to hide any disclosure of who Obama really is. As for me I will hold that and until proven otherwise Obama is from the sperm of a SE Asian communist guru named Muhammed Subuh but mama Stanley Ann had to go to Kenya for marriage to legitimize birth of Obama.The dots are there to be connected. As soon as she could get a Hawaiian divorce mama hurried back to SE Asia to get young Obama back to his Indonesian conception roots. There is a long trail of deceit connected to Obama becoming POTUSA. For some reason or causes no politician want/dares to break the facts out. Probably because they all have their own covered pasts.
The primary evidence of eligibility is Hawaii's verification that Obama was born there. State verification is the thing that you, I, and Obama all point to when we wish to prove the time and place of our births. He's done that, whereas no other President before presented that. And under the Full Faith & Credit clause, verification of Hawaii's records comes with Constitutional significance.
That's what I say. Though you've ignored this point at least a half dozen times now in your eagerness to focus on tangents.
Exactly. Full stop. All the biographers (liberal, not-so-liberal, whatever) accept as fact that Stanley Ann is Obama's mother. And why is that? The simple and obvious answer is that all available evidence points to the conclusion, and there is no credible evidence that any other person was Obama's mother.
This is really quite simple. By the time these biographers set about their task, most persons who would have the closest connection with Stanley Ann while she was pregnant (her parents, Obama, Sr., the hospital physician who signed Obama's birth certificate, etc.) were dead. Yours is one very weak argument from silence.
But my earlier point remains unanswered. So here it is again:
"In this nation one doesn't prove date and place of birth by chasing down old friends and family and procuring statements they saw one's mother pregnant --and then handing those to the Drivers License office, passport agency, etc. One gets the appropriate state agency to verify the birth facts. Hawaii has done that in Obama's case. And under our Constitution, those records are granted Full Faith & Credit as to any sister state.
On the question of eligibility, this is called "Game. Set. Match."
(You've ignored this point even more times than you ignored my early point about the 1990 "born in Hawaii" newspaper accounts. Will the ostrich ever come up for air?)
“That’s what I say. Though you’ve ignored this point at least a half dozen times now.”
Not true. I answered it up thread. The troll game is to lie, say the question was ignored/never answered, rinse & repeat.
Apart from my answer on this specific thread, I and others have answered this point literally thousands of times. Can’t speak for anyone else, but I am uninterested in playing troll games w you.
Now let’s see you answer a question. I just visited my favorite image site. I typed in a long string of searches.
First, house where George bush was born
Up popped a photo of the house.
Then, house where Bill Clinton was born
Up popped a photo of the house.
Then, house where George h. w. bush was born
Up popped a photo of the house.
Then, house where Ronald Reagan was born
Up popped a photo of the house.
Then, house where George washington was born
Up popped a photo of the house.
Then, house where Barack Obama was born
No house. Nothing resembling a house. Nothing even close to a house.
Why is it known where all these other POTUSes were born, and not Obama?
Why is that?
‘This is really quite simple. By the time these biographers set about their task, most persons who would have the closest connection with Stanley Ann while she was pregnant (her parents, Obama, Sr., the hospital physician who signed Obama’s birth certificate, etc.) were dead. Yours is one very weak argument from silence.’
You claim a white woman married a black man in early 60s HI & became pregnant w his child. You claim she lived there 9 mos & gave birth, but no one, not one soul, remembers her. They don’t remember her living with Obama. They don’t remember her being pregnant. They don’t remember her giving birth/bringing a new baby home.
No, they’re not all dead. Plenty of people alive in the sixties are still alive. If Stanley Ann had done what you claim, someone would remember. The fact that NO ONE remembers her blows your theory to smithereens. I.e.: you say on the one hand that inter-racial couples were not common in those days; you say on the other that naturally anyone who might have seen her either doesn’t remember or is dead.
How do we know she never lived at the address listed in the bogus birth announcements? Because the daughter—the daughter, novel concept—of the people who lived there has stated it dispositively. She said neither Stanley Ann nor Obama Sr. ever lived there, and certainly Stanley Ann did not bring a new baby home to a place she’d never live [the daughter stressed that, not me].
So you cannot explain the bogus address on the bogus birth announcements, but you are confident Stanley Ann lived somewhere. You just have no freaking idea where.
Anti-birthers are...irrational.
And which post are you claiming contained that answer? You're here doing the same dodge you did when I kept flogging you with the newspaper accounts. "Oh, I and others have already answered that" -- then as now with now reference to where it was answered. All hand-waving and avoidance.
And then you go on to chase the fallacy of searching for a "birth house" in the same way as your search for "pregnancy witnesses" (most all of whom were dead by the time the question was being asked).
Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. Do you want me to provide you with a photo of that?
But, again, back to the point you haven't answered: one doesn't prove one's birth facts by chasing down persons who saw one's mother pregnant, or taking to the driver's license office a photo of the house (or hospital) where one was born. One gets the state to certify to that event.
Hawaii has done that, thus establishing Obama's eligibility.
‘And which post are you claiming contained that answer?’
You had your chance to read the answer the first time I posted it.
Barring that, you could read the answer literally thousands of times on FR birther threads.
If you didn’t read it then, too bad. I’m not playing your game.
Or perhaps I will, just once more.
But first, you go back through my four or five most recent posts and answer all the questions you have avoided. There are at least half a dozen. Probably more. Give me halfway decent answers, and just maybe for the thousandth and one batritlianth time I’ll answer the other question.
Take it or leave it.
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