Posted on 05/13/2014 5:52:30 AM PDT by JOHN W K
SEE: Did Michigan just trigger 'constitutional convention'? Bid gains steam
In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.
If Duncan Hunter wants to balance the annual budget, then why does he not “push” for and demand the apportioned direct tax which is in our Constitution be used to extinguish annual deficits as our Founding Fathers intended?
The liars are at it again, pretending their objectives are noble, but their ultimate aim is to convene a convention so those who now hold power at the federal and state level may rewrite our Constitution and make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional.
How is the budget to be balanced? The answer is found in a number of our State Ratification documents which gave birth to our Constitution, for example see: Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire
Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-
For an example of a direct tax being laid by Congress see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s share is determined.
Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.
A flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.
Hey Mark, does your flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does your socialist tax on profits gains and other “incomes” end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! Tell us Mark Levin, how about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does your flat tax end that and class warfare? No! Or, would your flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So why are you comfortable with a flat tax which in turn is a component part of a despotic federal government? I know why….you are part of the Washington Establishment which works to defeat the miracle our founding fathers created.
If you were really sincere about supporting our founding fathers Mark, you would be promoting a return to our Constitutions ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate with the following H.J.RESOLUTION:
House/Senate Joint Resolution
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.
Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.
Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.
JWK
" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87
You’re right. This is foolishness. We need to do what you say, because you are so successful at getting the low-information voters to understand and obey.
Delaware residents, who voted overwhelmingly for President Barack Obama in 2012, get 50 cents in federal funding for every $1 in federal income taxes they pay.
Mississippi — 55.5% for Mitt Romney — cashes in with $3.07 in federal funding for every dollar paid in income taxes.
Those findings come from a new analysis by WalletHub. The personal finance social network crunched returns on taxes paid to the federal government, federal funding as a percent of state revenue and the number of federal employees per capita to conclude that Red States “are altogether more reliant on federal funding than Blue States.”
That often correlates to lower state taxes. “The more dependent a state is on the federal government, the less likely it is to charge high tax rates,” Wallethub says.
Some of the results correspond with a recent study by the Tax Foundation, which showed that federal aid accounted for 45.8% of Mississippi’s revenue, ranking it first. The Magnolia state also has among the lowest tax burdens in the nation.
Of course, there are exceptions. Kansas, for instance, gets back less than it sends to the federal government. Some 60% of the state’s voters favored Mr. Romney.
The above map shows one WalletHub metric: how many dollars in federal funding state taxpayers receive for every one dollar in federal income taxes they pay. The figures exclude loans and guarantees
Which States Take the Most From the U.S. Government? (Mar 27, 2014 WSJ Business )
Add in: two Air Force bases, numerous ICBM facilities, Miles of Federal highway, Ag subsidies, Red River Flood aid, a National Park in two units, and a smattering of other odds and ends with a relatively low population and North Dakota supposedly takes in more than it pays in income taxes, too (although that may have changed a mite with the oil boom).
It all depends on how the money is spent, and what counts.
Keep in mind its Federal spending per federal tax revenue, probably just the difference between the two..
So Maryland and VA gets a hell of a lot of $$$ in Federal contracts but they pay much more taxes than Mississippi does, but Mississippi gets lots in food stamps compared to what they pay in Federal taxes.
That’s the argument(usually by Dems) .
Never heard (say) Heritage Foundation debunk it,
I am always skeptical without a breakdown of how its computed (like a spreadsheet)
If I was a GOP governor who turned down the medicaid expansion I sure would want that funding cut ASAP.
“Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.
You are a flat out liar and I doubt that you even listen to Mark Levin.
I used to have some modicum of respect for “The New American” as a publication, however that respect has transitioned to disrespect. The John Birch Society’s attack on Mark is unexcusable. You’d fit right in with them.
“Because it opens up the bill of rights to be re-written by the left’s own fair hand.”
Not true. The state representatives are subjected to being “recalled” back to the state if they vary from the proscribed mission of the state that sent them. In addition, any ammendment that makes it out of the convention of the states, still needs approval of 3/4’s of the states to become part of the constitution.
A convention of the states is only a method for proposing ammendments. In that respect, it is no different than Ammendments that originate in Congress. The advantage is that the States can propose Ammendments and the congress MUST send those Ammendments to the States for approval.
DC will not fix itself. It is time for the States to take back their authority.
“An amendment can also repeal an existing amendment, the way the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th Amendment (prohibition).”
True. Now, where would those Ammendments originate? The constitution calls for 2 methods for Ammendment proposals. They can come from Congress, or from an Article 5 Convention of the States.
Both must still be ratified by 3/4’s of the States.
Now, do you think that Congress will propose the abolishment of the 17th Ammendment? When is Congress going to propose the balance budget amendment? How about the abolition of the IRS ammendment?
If you are honest, you would admit that none of the fixes we need will originate in Congress. That leaves it to the States!
“1) The convention of the states succeeds and we get the amendments that restore our Republic.
2) It fails in which case we’ve lost nothing and we continue our decline with a second amendment solution as our backstop.
It’s a win/win either way.”
You are correct and actually it is an advantage to try EVERY option available before we move to your point number 2. It is incumbent upon us to exhaust all peaceful means to reinstating liberty. Until we exhaust all options, we CAN NOT enforce the 2nd Ammendment in good moral standing.
So, if Article 5 is successful, then we have saved many lives. If it fails, then we have saved our conscious!
“The fairtax [H.R.25] proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor, while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other “incomes”.”
You truly are a flat out liar. I am astounded at your purposeful LYING!
No offense intended, but I believe I have learned far more about the Constitution, liberalism and conservatism from Levin than I have from any self-proclaimed expert...
“John, I grow weary of your ignorance on this and other issues.”
I think you are being much too nice in your commenting to this person. His “ignorance” is purposeful. It is bold face LYING and I am shocked that it is allowed to continue on FR.
At first I thought it was ignorance, but then after the subjects began to expand I realized that there is no possible way that any FReeper could be that uninformed about EVERY subject. Only a purposeful LIAR would be making such posts.
Ah, the irony of that statement.
And by "educate yourselves", they mean "Buy all of Mark Levin's books and listen to all his radio shows, and accept 100% of what he says as gospel truth, without question. Disagreeing with ANY position he takes means you hate America, the constitution, and the founding fathers."
I like listening to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage from time-to-time, but fortunately I can't think for myself and don't regard every word that comes out of their mouths as brilliant scholarly constitutional wisdom.
And by "educate yourselves", they mean "Buy all of Mark Levin's books and listen to all his radio shows, and accept 100% of what he says as gospel truth, without question. Disagreeing with ANY position he takes means you hate America, the constitution, and the founding fathers."
I like listening to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage from time-to-time, but fortunately I can think for myself and don't regard every word that comes out of their mouths as brilliant scholarly constitutional wisdom.
However I will make a slight correction to your comment in bold.
“No offense intended, but I believe I have learned far more about the Constitution, liberalism and conservatism from Levin than I have from any other self-proclaimed expert...”
Maybe that's because he has a radio program that you listen to.
Williams was a WI state rep, public school teacher, and black. She was disgusted with what poor kids had to put up with.
Landmark Legal defend her in WI and Scotus affirmed the constitutionality of vouchers in 1998. Pretty cool, eh?
You truly are a flat out liar. I am astounded at your purposeful LYING!
CSM,
You forgot to explain how I am lying. The irrefutable fact is, H.R. 25 proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor, while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other “incomes”.”
If I am in error, explain how I am in error rather than posting an unsubstantiated insulting remark.
JWK
If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along withFREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.
JWK
If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's best interest if a convention were called, is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for America’s chickens.
sol, I was aware of and was following Levin and his Landmark Legal Foundation before he had a radio program.
Fact is, I've made a few contributions to Landmark Legal Foundation because of their solid accomplishments in public interest litigation.
Levin was also a regular poster on Free Republic, by the way. Went by the screen name Hold On Now...
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